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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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network and kgra the global radio

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bespoke radio

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how you doing how you doing today is

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california and i would

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around the world all across the united

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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changer network and kg ra the planets

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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kicking off another week here on the

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an amazing week we've got lined up in

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documentary to face the gray

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that is tonight tomorrow night

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shock nothing but the best here on fade

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to black thursday is another fader night

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with open lines all night long

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remind everybody sunday we will be at

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the crystal matrix and i will give you

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that in just a bit i

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at j church radio hashtag f2b is the

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f2b everything so you can get in on the

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tweetdeck is an official twitter product

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get tweetdeck download it get it

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you're not supposed to hit it i hit it

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accident man that sounds cool

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really enjoyed it all right hashtag f2b

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to email throughout the show jimmy

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jimmychurchradio.com you can follow like

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the new website is blazing fast you need

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to go over and check that out i i want

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to thank drew for all of his hard work

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there still fine tuning a few things but

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thank drew for all of his hard work go

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over and check it out go to the

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podcast uh the shopping area all of that

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there you go breaking news

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things you just can't make up and this

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chocolate blocking flowing traffic in

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the tanker was hauling 40 000 pounds

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120 degree liquid chocolate but it turns

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that's a dr i used to have a dream

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i used to have a dream when i was a kid

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think was one of my teachers i told him

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about this dream and the dream kept

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happening over and over again and my

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you can only swim in water

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in 40 000 pounds of liquid taco but you

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know and they didn't disclose what kind

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because they have claimed liability

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paying out any lawsuits and can they do

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a chapter 11 bankruptcy and just claim

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that there is no money there

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just my thoughts i watched all of and

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read all that i could today

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all right i mentioned earlier we will be

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at the crystal matrix

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this sunday

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january 20th we're going to be hanging

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out with carolyn ford and einstein the

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ancient crystal skull

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and all of the information that you need

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is at the crystalmatrix.com

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the address is 3215 glendale boulevard

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in at water village which is right next

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to glendale right next to burbank

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right here in los angeles california and

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their phone number

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which you must call you've got to make

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arrangements for this it's going to be

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packed

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okay but i want to see some fader knots

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there i want to see some fade to black

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the crystal matrix this sunday january

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20th they've got events going on with

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einstein friday saturday and sunday

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the big ceremony okay so three two three

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seven six two five rita is gonna be

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there lisa frith is gonna be there and i

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haven't even checked with lisa but i'm

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assuming she is going to be there all

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right so we'll see everybody at the

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crystal matrix this sunday january 20th

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all right and then right after that

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we've got a bunch of events coming up

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here so

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uh coming up right after that is the

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course this year we're celebrating the

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with eric von daniken all right just go

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now at that event okay for both of these

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events for the conscious life expo and

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expo uh friday night you need to get

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tickets for my panel with eric von

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daniken and that's a separate item so

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you got to do that at conscious life

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expo and at contact in the desert we've

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got three events that are going on there

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friday night fade to black we'll be

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broadcasting live like we do each year

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okay saturday night

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i am hosting the awards dinner okay and

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that's a separate thing and i want to

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see all of the fader knots there for the

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awards dinner and get your stuff there

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and then sunday night at contact in the

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desert i'll be doing like i do each year

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the closing night

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uh panel at contact in the desert all of

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the information is over at contact in

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the desert dot com and then after that

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is our 2019

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soul tech conference which is over the

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july 4th weekend at sunrise ranch in

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seoultechgathering.com all right now

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that that event is going to sell out

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and everybody on the waiting list is

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going to have first crack at tickets

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okay soul tech gathering

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dot com

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all right man did you guys notice did

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you look look at me in the in the video

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see how low i'm sitting my chair

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just

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i'm like sitting with my knees on my

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chest

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my chair just went down i that's it

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rita

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see read it down in her office you guys

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haven't seen that she's got the she's

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got the real studio down there and she's

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got one of those ferrari racing chairs

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that's what she's got and i've got this

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thing

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from

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office depot i've got to uh i need one

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of them racing chairs like she's got

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she's got the full-on recaro

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thing with all these pillows and

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adjustments and things that you move and

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it's really nice

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and i've got this this old thing i got

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to get me a racing chair that's it we

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got to put the racing chair in the

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budget

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i can't uh continue to shrink during the

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show all right don't forget to subscribe

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and check it out it's fast quick

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get this show crack and happy birthday

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to today the one and only

379
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zack wilde

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today

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is 51 years old all right let's see

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who posed the jimmy zack wild picture

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first in twitter let's see what happens

384
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i'll give you a special mention i'll

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give you a retweet

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zack wild today is 51 also today dave

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grohl

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is 49. i would have thought dave girl is

389
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much older than that but nah

390
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he's not he's just 49 years young today

391
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on this day in history 1943

392
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and i'm going to tell you this is this

393
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is a weird on this day in history

394
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because you would have thought this

395
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would have happened earlier

396
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but it happened in 1943 franklin

397
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roosevelt becomes the first president to

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travel on official business by airplane

399
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that's right 1943 crossing the atlantic

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by air roosevelt flew in a boeing 314

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flying boat

402
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dubbed the dixie clipper to a world war

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ii strategy meeting with winston

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churchill

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at casablanca

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in north africa on this day in 1943

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fader fact

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are you ready

409
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there is a grape called the cotton candy

410
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grape

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that tastes just like

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well

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cotton candy

414
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and that is your favorite fact kevin

415
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korver comes in strong

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with the jimmy zach wild pick see there

417
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you go i promise to retweet kevin

418
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and uh there you go

419
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so i promised i promised

420
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a retweet so there you go see i did it

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and uh

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huh

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there you go

424
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it was quick that was good kevin

425
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that was good

426
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aight where am i

427
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you know

428
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i've got to talk about project blue book

429
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again and i'm going to do this now

430
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i got to get back to it because the

431
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series that is currently airing on

432
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history channel project blue book

433
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um well the next episode is tomorrow

434
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tuesday all right more on that in just a

435
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bit

436
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and while uh today i was surfing around

437
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to find out what the skeptics are saying

438
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about project blue book

439
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and one of the sites that i go and visit

440
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from time to time is i'm gonna say it

441
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,720
bad ufos by bob shafer

442
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he uses robert but hey

443
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right here and now i'm gonna call him

444
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bob

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but and i know what you're thinking

446
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i know what you're thinking right now

447
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you're going jimmy what are you doing on

448
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his blog

449
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well okay look i like to get all

450
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sides when it comes to an opinion i do

451
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that but one thing is for sure if there

452
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are any issues with anything ufo related

453
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:26,559
old bob is is going to get to the bottom

454
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of it he'll fact check you to death

455
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[Laughter]

456
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that's a fact

457
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all right

458
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,000
but uh

459
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normally normally bob is spot on with

460
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the black and white

461
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right okay and with project blue book or

462
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anything else like this there are so

463
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many out there who study history and

464
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will be very quick you know to cross

465
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check the information and i knew that

466
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project blue book would bring out uh the

467
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untrue

468
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false

469
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right or just outright bs

470
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and

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so here you go i'm just going here now

472
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all right

473
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bad ufos blog it's called bad ufos

474
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skepticism ufos in the universe

475
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and underneath that there's a byline and

476
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i'm going to quote here from uh robert

477
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schaefer so i'm going to give full

478
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credit here reflections on ufos

479
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skepticism and practically anything else

480
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by robert shaffer author of the book bad

481
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ufos plus the psychic vibrations column

482
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in the skeptical inquirer all right so

483
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everybody back up for a second just calm

484
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down

485
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okay

486
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this is what bob schaefer posted on bad

487
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ufos and i'm quoting here's an off

488
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here here is an off the top of my head

489
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list of falsehoods

490
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shown or implied in the fuller dogfight

491
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which was of course

492
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,039
episode one of the uh project blue book

493
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series

494
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,760
all right okay so here we go the fuller

495
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dog fight now this is what i have to say

496
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,480
first here the fuller dogfight they

497
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,640
exchanged a few names i don't even know

498
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why they did this

499
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because fuller is exchanged for gorman

500
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the gorman dogfight in project blue book

501
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took place in 1948 and you need to

502
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,080
understand that first off

503
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,960
okay so when we say

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the fuller dog fight it's actually the

505
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gorman dog fight

506
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okay

507
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so here we go

508
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the first thing gorman shot at the

509
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object which he did in the tv series and

510
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that appears to be false

511
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okay

512
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gorman was sent to the infirmary for an

513
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extended period of time

514
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with psychological problems and again

515
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,159
this is false

516
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,559
this is according to robert schaefer but

517
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well more on this in a minute okay

518
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:15,200
but that's false

519
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,480
gorman

520
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,600
collided with the object

521
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,159
which damaged his plane

522
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:24,400
this was false

523
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:28,320
the ufo took control of gorman's plane

524
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,520
also

525
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false

526
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,559
gorman somehow and

527
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anonymously hears a radio station during

528
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,760
the incident and became obsessed with

529
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:41,840
the song

530
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,799
also false

531
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,280
heinek traveled to fargo to investigate

532
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,440
they investigate the case on site and

533
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,039
this was false

534
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,120
now he continues with indeed mark

535
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,760
o'connell author of the first biography

536
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,799
of jay allen heineck noted on facebook

537
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,360
that in the episode heinek drove from

538
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:03,760
fargo north dakota to columbus ohio

539
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:06,720
seemingly in a matter of minutes it's a

540
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,240
15-hour drive today i

541
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,000
it seems like it would be much longer

542
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,799
it's a 15-hour drive today but back then

543
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,440
there were no interstates and again this

544
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,280
is very interesting and i noticed it

545
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,720
during the series

546
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:22,400
now heinek

547
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,480
uh and his air force handler a pilot

548
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,039
went up in a plane to try to duplicate

549
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:31,200
the encounter the plane crash both

550
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,400
survive

551
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:35,200
and this is beyond ridiculous

552
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,480
well also

553
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,320
in the episode

554
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,159
a man in black

555
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,720
was watching the investigation

556
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:43,679
right

557
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,640
uselessly from a distance the stories

558
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,960
about men in black originated with

559
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,039
albert k bender

560
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,840
in 1953.

561
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:55,600
now remember

562
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,240
the original classic ufo case of the

563
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,159
gorman dogfight

564
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:03,440
was in 1948 now we're off by about four

565
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or five years here with the men in black

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now which

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which

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okay i've got to state this each one of

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these points that schaefer brings out

570
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as false i had questioned myself in real

571
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time during the broadcast

572
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heineken was in a plane that crashed and

573
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he survived

574
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wait a minute i've never heard of this

575
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before

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men in black in 1948 well we all know

577
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that was 1953 at the earliest

578
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you know and i just i just thought that

579
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there were so many things that seemed to

580
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me to be to the extreme and if they

581
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really happened or were reported and not

582
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in the original project blue book report

583
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where did the information come from

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it seems to me that all of these events

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went down as viewed in the episode j

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allen heineck experienced the most

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craziest of things ever

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and would have been out there in the

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public with it

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he would have spoken about it seriously

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so with the next episode which is the

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flat woods monster another incident that

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i have researched over the years and i

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think i have a pretty good grasp on the

595
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facts of the case we're going to see

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what history channel does with this

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and what heinek experienced while

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investigating and if we're going to

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continue to get the disclaimer at the

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beginning and the end of the show you

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know the based on true events from the

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files of project blue book

603
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i have a feeling that this is about to

604
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get very very good and i'm saying it

605
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this way

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science fiction good with a strong

607
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emphasis on fiction

608
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it looks like bad ufos and robert

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schaefer are going to have a lot to

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write about over the next 12 weeks and

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he should

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what bob you see this is the thing

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when bob picks up on your scent

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he is relentless in his pursuit of the

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truth and i may not always agree with

616
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robert which is fair but his reporting

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on ttsa and delong

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uh elizondo is some of the best out

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there and yes i admit

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i like to hang out at bad ufos and get

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my skeptic fix on it's a guilty pleasure

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seriously so that's why you need to go

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over to bad ufos you don't have to agree

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you need to see what the other side is

625
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thinking and i knew that with project

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blue book

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that first episode i enjoyed

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project blue book

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but as it rolled on i just kept sitting

630
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back to and thinking to myself there's

631
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no way that heinek did that he crashed

632
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in a plane

633
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right wait was it we need to stop with

634
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this the men in black but

635
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if there's two sides to this is it just

636
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merely

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00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:01,279
creative license

638
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,080
fine but if you're going to say that

639
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,480
this is based on you know project blue

640
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book these are the facts

641
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,520
then we have an issue here

642
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,520
is it misleading

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you know and i

644
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i don't know

645
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flatwoods monster of everything that

646
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they could do flatwoods monster 1952

647
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some kids are up on a hill they see

648
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something fly over the hill they go to

649
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the top of the hill they walk over to

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the other side boom they see this

651
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creature glowing eyes hooded craziness

652
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smells stink and the whole thing just

653
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,039
took off from there now where is heinek

654
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,240
going to get wrapped up in the flatwood

655
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,039
monster story yeah

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yeah so tomorrow night with a history

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channel time's going to tell

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where they are going

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with this series this is faded black i'm

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your jimmy church tonight chad kalec is

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here

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we're going to be talking about his new

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documentary which is a sequel to sir no

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face and the new one is called

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to face the gray tomorrow night linda

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moulton howe is here and then third or

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wednesday night it's robert shock we've

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got a great week lined up here on fade

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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here with jimmy church tonight chad

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kalec is here that's right

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chad is here he's standing by tomorrow

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night linda moulton howe

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wednesday night dr robert m shock

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what a great week we've got lined up

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here

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thank you to everybody that's hanging

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out you can follow me on twitter at j

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church radio you can follow chad

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at a g h chad on twitter he's right

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there

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chad caleb has spent over 25 years

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investigating the world's most haunted

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locations in search for answers to the

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bizarre the mysterious and the

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unexplained and although he's known for

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capturing some of the most compelling

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evidence in the history of the

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paranormal field he has also developed a

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reputation as a staunch debunker that's

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right he is the director and producer of

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the american ghost hunter documentary

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which chronicled his family and their

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20-year battle with the paranormal and

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his he's got two documentaries out

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right last year he released the sir no

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face documentary which had a clip of sir

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no face

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but now he's got a sequel and it is

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called two face the gray

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all of the links for to face the gray

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are up at over uh at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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and we're going to discuss what two-face

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may be and what it's like for chad and

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his team to go from ghosts

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to the world of ufology chad welcome

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back man how are you i'm doing good man

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thank you for having me on i appreciate

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it well let's go straight to the

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question chad what's it like to go from

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the paranormal and ghosts

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to ufology right well

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you know it's uh it's as the beginning

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of the documentary

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shows to face the gray

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it was something i was really resistant

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upon doing initially

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um

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well for a couple reasons one

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there were all kinds of weird things

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that were going on that pointed to the

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world of ufology as we were filming

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sir no face

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but admittedly it's kind of that old

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statement if you make something of him

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or everything's a nail because the

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australian government said this is a

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paranormal case and because our minds

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were so trained to that you know it

835
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,599
really took going on tour with sir no

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face

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and the audience repeatedly night after

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night going okay

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you caught something but we we think

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you're wrong and i was like oh here here

841
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,200
we go

842
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,400
you know the skeptics are going to tell

843
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,560
me i'm i'm fake and craig's a fraud and

844
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,000
all this stuff and that's not what we

845
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,000
heard what we heard is

846
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,839
you caught something but it's not a

847
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:23,680
ghost it's a gray

848
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,520
and as i tried to push that off the out

849
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,920
the audience pushed back even harder to

850
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,440
the point where i had no choice but to

851
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,280
really take a look and reopen the case

852
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,440
lead over a thousand requests written to

853
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,040
reopen the case and to look at it from a

854
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,359
a ufology standpoint and the one thing

855
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,000
that i've noticed between the two

856
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,079
because admittedly

857
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,960
um i i do consider myself an expert when

858
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,800
it comes to the spiritual side ghost

859
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,800
side of the paranormal but i consider

860
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:55,119
myself more of a fan of ufology than i

861
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,720
am like i'm not a a uh you know dr

862
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,920
steven greer you know what i mean i

863
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:02,160
haven't spent my whole life delving into

864
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,440
the world of view of biology i know

865
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,839
about as as much as you know

866
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,160
another big fan of it but one thing i've

867
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,599
noticed in the world of ufology is

868
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,440
there's a lot more fear

869
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,839
uh in the world of ufology than there is

870
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,320
the world of spiritual outside of

871
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,200
paranormal and i'm i'm i'm unfortunately

872
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,720
learning why

873
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,599
um

874
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,640
it's just a

875
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,160
it's a crazy world and i'll tell you man

876
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,079
in the 25 years that i spent

877
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,079
investigating the paranormal and ghosts

878
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,040
and spirits and and debunking stuff

879
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,880
never did i have anything weird in my

880
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,320
life happen

881
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,160
and since we've been going down the road

882
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,560
of you apology on this incredible case

883
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,359
this absolutely mind-blowing case

884
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,720
that craig and his team have embarked on

885
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,119
as you see in the documentaries

886
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,560
the weirdness

887
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,200
uh has certainly encompassed all of us

888
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,720
you know i uh okay i want to uh do a

889
00:38:02,870 --> 00:37:59,680
little bit of a disclaimer here for the

890
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,880
audience uh when it uh it comes to

891
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,520
two-face uh

892
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,359
so everybody understands where you and i

893
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,760
are coming from uh of course chad knows

894
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:11,359
about this but i want the audience to

895
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:12,240
know

896
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,040
when

897
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,440
to face came out chad

898
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,119
immediately

899
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,880
contacted me you've got to check this

900
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,760
out and i need your comments okay and

901
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,160
what that what that said to me at that

902
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,680
time was that chad is now

903
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,880
in uncharted territory and yeah and he

904
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,960
needs he needs my opinion on a few

905
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,920
things so

906
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,480
i did i watched the entire documentary i

907
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:39,119
i wrote uh chad back we talked on the

908
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,000
phone

909
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,520
and and

910
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,440
i i inserted a couple of comments none

911
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:46,880
of that was a big deal but he needed uh

912
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,079
some eyes on it from somebody

913
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,920
that he would trust that understands the

914
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,560
ufo subject and and i jumped in on it

915
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,440
the second thing that i want to uh

916
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,119
uh have everybody

917
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:01,440
know here that when

918
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,599
you get in to the field of ufos no

919
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:07,119
matter how

920
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:07,920
uh

921
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,480
no matter how acclimated you are and no

922
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,560
matter how much of a seasoned researcher

923
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,880
you are you don't know everything

924
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,920
and the world of ufos there are a lot of

925
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,240
very very very smart people out there

926
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,920
but it's also

927
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,160
different from ghosts in that now you've

928
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,079
got governments that are involved you've

929
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,160
got research that

930
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,800
is involved with three letter agencies

931
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,440
and you've got very seasoned people out

932
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:34,880
there that aren't necessarily

933
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,400
researchers but study the subject and

934
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,320
and here you are man

935
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,960
welcome and the third thing that i need

936
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,040
everybody to understand which i let chad

937
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,320
know

938
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,520
is when i just like chad when i was a

939
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,119
sports caster

940
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,400
no issues

941
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,160
none

942
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:57,280
no issues with equipment with phones

943
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:00,800
with friends with things it was a very

944
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,240
smooth operation you get into ufos and

945
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,720
conspiracy which involves the government

946
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,119
suddenly i've got technical issues i've

947
00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,000
got phone issues i've got email issues

948
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,320
i've got things getting hacked you know

949
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,599
on a daily basis to the point where i've

950
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,440
got to brush it off

951
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,760
and you are experiencing the same things

952
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,040
aren't you

953
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:25,280
well yeah and

954
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,320
big time and craig and his uh

955
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,800
lovely wife nikki and their family are

956
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:32,800
experiencing it even

957
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,000
worse which was my primary reason

958
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,400
for getting the sequel out as fast as

959
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,200
possible because i do believe that uh

960
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,440
you know a layer of protection comes

961
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,680
from awareness and people knowing what's

962
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,160
going on but just so people know i mean

963
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,079
how this whole thing started this wasn't

964
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,200
included in sir no face uh because

965
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,480
this is gonna sound like a crazy event

966
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:57,040
when i say it but when you're going down

967
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,800
one direction and you're so focused on

968
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,480
it you just don't want to go down

969
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,240
another direction if you don't know

970
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,560
where it leads you but this whole thing

971
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,800
like literally i was in australia

972
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,079
promoting

973
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,800
my film a blood red sky we had just

974
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,079
decided

975
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,119
that we were going to move forward

976
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,480
with sir no face and the first event

977
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,520
that we go out we play in townsville

978
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,920
this whole thing starts with i'm giving

979
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,599
you presentations as well documented the

980
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,880
film as well

981
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,119
and this gentleman walks in wearing all

982
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,760
black uh he's got tattoos on his face a

983
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,839
tattoo of almond raw on his

984
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,839
and he's pacing and he's walking with

985
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,319
like a uh i mean just the way a man

986
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,920
walks when he has a mission like you

987
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,319
could tell he's not there to be a fan

988
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,960
i mean he is walking around contention i

989
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,960
see him talking to my team

990
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,200
um afterwards uh

991
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,200
right as the presentation's over he's

992
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,599
making his way to me and just bee lying

993
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,800
through the crowd and he has something

994
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,280
in his hands and craig gets to me first

995
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,920
and says hey and i cut him off like a

996
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,520
black guy with tattoos he goes yeah

997
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,119
something doesn't feel right

998
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,880
so craig's like i'm gonna get behind him

999
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,720
if he even makes the slightest move i'm

1000
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,880
taking him out you know like i don't i

1001
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,720
don't know what's going on here and this

1002
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:12,960
guy was very intimidating and he pretty

1003
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,440
much hands me this package

1004
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,599
and says you don't know me

1005
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,520
you know i don't know you and by the way

1006
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,760
this guy bought a vip ticket with no

1007
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,119
interest in the show he just wanted to

1008
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,359
get to have five minutes with me right

1009
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,960
so he can do this and he hands me this

1010
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:28,079
package

1011
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:29,280
and tells me

1012
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,440
he's been shot and knifed in mexico

1013
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,160
for these contents uh he has no interest

1014
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,960
in a show no interest in money doing

1015
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,280
press anything like that he's done his

1016
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,440
homework on me he knows who i am he

1017
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,599
simply wants me to have the package and

1018
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,040
this is there's multiple witnesses of

1019
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,400
this we have photos of them all their

1020
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,800
stuff and i open this package and it is

1021
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,880
like the most

1022
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,440
mind-bending and disturbing stuff you've

1023
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,880
ever seen

1024
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,920
that is so in-depth and this is like day

1025
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,480
one of sernoface you know and we're

1026
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,040
going what is going on here

1027
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,440
and from that point on it was just a

1028
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,960
slow progression

1029
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,520
of incredibly bizarre things that were

1030
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,480
happening

1031
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,560
uh right now the point that you know

1032
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,839
craig's getting

1033
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,480
uh visitors to his house

1034
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,200
uh that are you know maybe i'm jumping

1035
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,160
way ahead here right now but um yeah i

1036
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,079
mean people coming to his house telling

1037
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,160
him to stop doing what he's doing

1038
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,079
uh warning him away

1039
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,920
um emails i mean

1040
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,440
i can't tell you how many times i've had

1041
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,599
to re-change my email

1042
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,520
like the password i'm like what is going

1043
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,560
on

1044
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,680
um

1045
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,119
there's so many things and it's all

1046
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,359
demonstrated in the film too from phone

1047
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,040
calls where you can clearly hear that

1048
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,200
it's being monitored clearly

1049
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,040
and every time you start talking about

1050
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,720
hearing it the phone calls being

1051
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,440
monitored it stops

1052
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,800
you know the beeps and everything that

1053
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,000
you can hear

1054
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,240
um there's just so much stuff in this

1055
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,599
film that

1056
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,160
if if someone told me again

1057
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,319
you know if i didn't know

1058
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,640
the people involved you know i would

1059
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:10,240
just be like yeah they've got to be

1060
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,280
crazy

1061
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,480
um

1062
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,640
but no i've learned that there's this

1063
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,040
stuff is far more real

1064
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,800
than uh you know because you hear about

1065
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,960
this all the time i recently uh tyler

1066
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:23,280
was on uh tyler glockner from scripting

1067
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,560
was on your show

1068
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,720
and he was uh he put out a video saying

1069
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,160
yeah i was talking to jimmy and the

1070
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,240
second i started talking about this

1071
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,319
then you know the phone lines drop and

1072
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,839
interference comes

1073
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,119
and you hear stuff like that and you

1074
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:36,480
think well

1075
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,520
sure you know could be could not be

1076
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,599
but then you start experiencing those

1077
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,319
types of phenomenon consistently

1078
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:46,079
it's uh it's a different ballgame yeah

1079
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,520
that comfortable it's very uncomfortable

1080
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,040
yeah totally totally we're going to get

1081
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,880
to all of that in those details and

1082
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,200
before we do i want to set things up

1083
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,599
first things first

1084
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,520
who is craig

1085
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,200
now okay now

1086
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,640
let's because we're going to be talking

1087
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,440
about craig quite a bit tonight and

1088
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,960
craig in

1089
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,440
the new documentary

1090
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,640
um you can clearly see

1091
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,680
that he's the guy you want in a bar

1092
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,560
fight right on your side of the fence

1093
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,280
yes craig powell uh he and his wife are

1094
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,800
the founding members of the west sydney

1095
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,640
paranormal research team

1096
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,280
they were the team that was hand-picked

1097
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,440
by the australian government

1098
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,280
actually the sydney harbor trust which

1099
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:31,359
is the the equivalent of the department

1100
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,640
of defense

1101
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:34,800
of the australian government

1102
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:38,640
hand-picked craig to lead

1103
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,440
what turned out to be a two-year

1104
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,440
government-sanctioned paranormal

1105
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:46,480
investigation of cockatoo island

1106
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,280
um

1107
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,440
in which that is sir no face footage was

1108
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,640
captured

1109
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,680
and uh

1110
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,520
craig is a former

1111
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,839
uh professional rugby player

1112
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,720
um

1113
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,800
he's one i'm a pretty big dude and he's

1114
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,839
one of the few guys that i've been

1115
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,760
around that dwarfs me

1116
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,760
uh he is a

1117
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,480
very and not not by any any

1118
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,640
way shape or form overweight he's just a

1119
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,000
massive dude

1120
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,440
uh very

1121
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:13,440
tough guy definitely the guy you want

1122
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,640
you know uh in a fight and uh

1123
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,480
you know you want to have your back

1124
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,560
and as you see in the film he is

1125
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,720
noticeably shaken

1126
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,680
uh throughout pretty much all of it

1127
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,000
and uh

1128
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,640
craig was uh

1129
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,280
it's weird when i hear him like that

1130
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,240
because

1131
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,119
i know him as such a strong personality

1132
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,160
because to see him shaken like he is

1133
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,720
over what's been going on and to hear it

1134
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,359
um and you especially hear it when uh in

1135
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,200
one of the um

1136
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,200
the first trailers that i put out

1137
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,599
there's the first time he calls me

1138
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,359
um because we were recording our phone

1139
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,400
conversations for sure no face okay

1140
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,119
so i get a phone call super early in the

1141
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:00,960
morning out of the blue

1142
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,440
and it's about these two gentlemen that

1143
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,240
in the middle of the afternoon he was

1144
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,560
actually taking a nap

1145
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,319
these two gentlemen knock on his door

1146
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,800
and he thinks that they're like uh

1147
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,920
what do they call those guys that go

1148
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,920
door-to-door

1149
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,240
witnesses yeah jehovah's witnesses he

1150
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:20,400
thinks jehovah's witnesses

1151
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,560
so he opens the door

1152
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:24,400
and he said that they both have these

1153
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,560
like perma-grins like just smiling the

1154
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,760
whole time

1155
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,119
no matter what they're saying their

1156
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,440
expression never changes uh to the point

1157
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,640
where you said they i mean they were

1158
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:34,079
human but they almost seemed inhuman

1159
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,520
with their emotions

1160
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,920
um in which they go you know hey craig

1161
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,400
how you doing and he's like do i know

1162
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,680
you how do you know my name and he was

1163
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,480
like

1164
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,760
you know yeah don't worry about it you

1165
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,599
know we just wanted to tell you that uh

1166
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,040
you know this project you're working on

1167
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,640
it's not going to go forward and you

1168
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,359
need to back off on it and and he's like

1169
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,040
well listen i'm not the guy that's doing

1170
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,640
it you know chad's the guy that's making

1171
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,319
it i'm just helping him and they're like

1172
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,400
oh we know we know all about it we're

1173
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,599
just here to tell you that it's not

1174
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,800
something that's going to happen and you

1175
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,040
need to uh you know listen to us right

1176
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,240
here and we hope we don't have to come

1177
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,599
back again

1178
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,240
and he literally turns around

1179
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,400
to grab his camera

1180
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,319
uh to basically you know get some

1181
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,680
footage of these guys to trim the camera

1182
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,839
and say okay fine now talk

1183
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,680
and these guys are gone

1184
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,599
and there's a really

1185
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,599
great demonstration in the film

1186
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,599
about why this would be impossible that

1187
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,440
they could just be gone

1188
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,839
but when you hear his voice

1189
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,920
in the phone call to me

1190
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,480
it's chilling i mean it is just chilling

1191
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,680
because

1192
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,920
you know he's at the virgin he's angry

1193
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:37,520
but he's so freaked out he's at the

1194
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,400
verge of tears at the same time now

1195
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,000
i knew this was getting real yeah

1196
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,040
because he's not a small guy he doesn't

1197
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:47,440
look like he's ever intimidated by

1198
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:48,640
anything

1199
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,359
and

1200
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,079
in in the documentary now when we come

1201
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,640
back also uh after the break we're going

1202
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,040
to discuss this specific clip that we're

1203
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,119
talking about here and why

1204
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,119
this is such a big deal but

1205
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,000
craig goes he he goes to grab his cell

1206
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,000
phone he comes back to the door these

1207
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:09,599
guys are gone and in the

1208
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,119
uh documentary the driveway

1209
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,839
is is a long driveway and it's on a hill

1210
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,760
and there's no way that these guys could

1211
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,559
have

1212
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,720
run up the hill and disappeared he goes

1213
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,960
up he looks up both sides of the street

1214
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,960
these guys just apparently disappear and

1215
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,440
not only when he gets to the top of the

1216
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,680
driveway and they're gone but there's no

1217
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,160
vehicles up there or anything so you

1218
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,760
have to ask yourself how did they pull

1219
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,520
that off how did they

1220
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,680
you know now does this bring in some

1221
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,280
element of

1222
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,319
of unbelievable of paranormal you know

1223
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,920
some of the stories about the men in

1224
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:47,040
black you know not even being human

1225
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,960
this this now comes into play but you

1226
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,200
guys are not used to

1227
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,359
dealing with these situations he had no

1228
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,079
idea what was going on did he no

1229
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,599
no i mean

1230
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,599
absolutely not you know like i said this

1231
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,480
isn't

1232
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,559
we've heard stories of stuff like this

1233
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:05,200
you know i mean i've i've heard

1234
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,160
uh

1235
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,960
after this happened in researching it um

1236
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,280
you know i read different you know uh

1237
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,359
articles and just different

1238
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,800
things written about through men in

1239
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,839
black and the times that they've

1240
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,040
appeared and

1241
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,040
you know i had seen um

1242
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:21,440
dan aykroyd talking about his experience

1243
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,319
with

1244
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,960
uh the men in black and and uh but you

1245
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,960
know you know you don't think that i

1246
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,040
mean in my world honestly i just you

1247
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:31,680
know you think it's a great story or

1248
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,559
maybe they existed at one point but

1249
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,839
it was just a different government

1250
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:37,200
agency but then the more and more you

1251
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,480
read about it

1252
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,599
you go

1253
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,800
well here's the thing i spent two years

1254
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,800
two years i tried to catch craig and a

1255
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,680
lie

1256
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,480
of any time in sir no face and failed

1257
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,559
miserably

1258
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,480
this is not something

1259
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,079
that he would like out there he would

1260
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,839
i'm sure he you know he didn't wake up

1261
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:57,119
and go you know what i would just love

1262
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,480
the world to know

1263
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,319
that two men visited my place and i was

1264
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,520
terrified

1265
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,280
you know it's just not the type of thing

1266
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,200
he would want out there so i'm i'm

1267
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,200
certain he's telling the truth

1268
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,640
um and

1269
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:11,040
and at the same time on my end

1270
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,200
things over here were getting so bizarre

1271
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,440
and uh we i don't know when the break's

1272
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,800
coming but there's a story i want to

1273
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,480
tell you that connects to theirs what

1274
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,720
was going on with them simultaneously

1275
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,319
and that's what we kind of realized is

1276
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,640
that we were simultaneously experiencing

1277
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,630
and things things do get strange and i

1278
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,520
um

1279
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,640
when

1280
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,480
i watched this part of the documentary

1281
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:37,920
and i stressed that everybody go and

1282
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:41,200
check out uh uh two-face the gray

1283
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,160
but

1284
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,240
i had my own little experience with the

1285
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,760
strange knock at the door and this

1286
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,160
happened about two years ago

1287
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,400
maybe a little longer but i'm i'm

1288
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,319
goofing around i'm at the house rita's

1289
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,480
gone i'm home alone and there's a knock

1290
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,520
at the door

1291
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:57,760
and which i never get i live in a gated

1292
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,640
community okay okay disclosure to

1293
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,960
everybody right i live in so there isn't

1294
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,880
any traffic there isn't anything strange

1295
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,800
that goes on in here it's gated right

1296
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,400
and i get a knock at the door and i go

1297
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,880
down and it's a lady in a suit

1298
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,800
and she's got an ipad

1299
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,520
and she goes hi uh mr church i'm here

1300
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,599
with the census i have a few questions

1301
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,920
for you i said the census

1302
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,920
yes i have a few questions

1303
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,680
what do you need with me well you know

1304
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,640
how many

1305
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,559
you know and she brought up she said

1306
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,119
caucasian i remember that and she goes

1307
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,160
okay so there are and i was like what

1308
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,960
and i looked at her and and she had a

1309
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,760
badge i remember that but anyway that

1310
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:39,359
was down on her hip

1311
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,960
and uh and i backed up and i said

1312
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,520
buh-bye and i shut the door on her face

1313
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,559
right

1314
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,559
i just shut the door

1315
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,440
and the next day

1316
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,119
knock at the door

1317
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,480
and i go down and i open it up wow you

1318
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,720
know and again rita was gone open up the

1319
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:01,680
door and it's the same lady with two

1320
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,960
dudes behind her in suits big guys like

1321
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,559
football player guys

1322
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,760
and i notice as i'm looking at these two

1323
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,680
i notice right across the street from

1324
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,359
the house the total fed car

1325
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,599
you know um uh

1326
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,559
uh

1327
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,520
ford

1328
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,079
uh police interceptor you know kind of

1329
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,480
car yeah yeah yeah and it was maroon by

1330
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,000
the way it wasn't black it was maroon

1331
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,440
but anyway it's sitting across the

1332
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,720
street and she goes you know i need to i

1333
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,559
need to talk to you mr church i said no

1334
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:33,839
you don't

1335
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,800
my bosses uh have sent me back oh i'm

1336
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,920
quoting

1337
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,599
my bosses have sent me back and we've

1338
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,359
got a few questions for you i said no

1339
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,720
you don't

1340
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,559
i'm looking right i'm looking at these

1341
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,200
two guys i'm like the sense what

1342
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:49,839
what the what the f you know this is

1343
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,640
ridiculous and i shut the door bam

1344
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,040
slammed it on him and i walked away rita

1345
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,559
comes home a little bit later and i'm

1346
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,559
telling her this story

1347
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,400
what i should have done this was my

1348
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,440
mistake

1349
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:02,800
is video

1350
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,160
i should have just grabbed my phone

1351
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,280
walked outside shot the car videotaped

1352
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,559
them to see you know i didn't go out to

1353
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,400
see if they were going to other houses i

1354
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:16,000
didn't do any of that it was a total

1355
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,359
stupid move

1356
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,760
but it was the feds dude you know

1357
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,160
checking exactly what craig was trying

1358
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,480
to do at that time was grab his phone

1359
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,640
video like that's a key you know what's

1360
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:29,040
interesting about that jimmy is and and

1361
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,480
you know this is part of this in the

1362
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,760
film too

1363
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,079
but for about a week

1364
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,640
i started noticing this black mercedes

1365
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:38,720
that would have its lights on

1366
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,760
at any time of the day whether it's noon

1367
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,640
or you know 5 or 9 p.m

1368
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,440
and i i finally was able to get some

1369
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,280
film on this thing and i ended up

1370
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,480
talking to my partner thomas who uh i

1371
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,920
always want to give him huge shout outs

1372
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,280
because without him both these films

1373
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,440
wouldn't be wouldn't even be possible

1374
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,520
but i was telling him about this

1375
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,000
and he was just like you know what uh

1376
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,599
you need to just drive him right to the

1377
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,880
police station

1378
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,040
you know slam the car and park and hop

1379
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,960
out with your you know your phone

1380
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,079
filming

1381
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,920
and just say you know who are you type

1382
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,559
of thing and the weird thing was i was

1383
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:16,880
like i'm totally going to do that

1384
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,680
after that conversation i had with him i

1385
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,760
never saw this car again so i would

1386
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,760
start thinking you know what i'm going

1387
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,319
psychopathic here like this is just my

1388
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own mind working against me i'm in the

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city of los angeles there's a ton of

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black mercedes around here i mean who

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00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,280
would actually be following me because

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the only reason i do that in today's day

1393
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,599
and age would be pure intimidation

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00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,160
right as i'm thinking that's happening i

1395
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,440
get a phone call from craig's wife

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00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,319
who wants to tell me that she's you know

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00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,799
she's not crazy that there's a car

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00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,480
that's been following her

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00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,040
i'm like oh you're kidding me

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and she's like no

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and you know they went through the whole

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thing i mean this has happened a couple

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00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,799
times

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and i recently showed you and we were

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together

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um well you know let's get to that later

1407
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,359
on but about the the guys coming back in

1408
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:09,680
those details but this thing goes you

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00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,720
know

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uh to a place of surveillance that is

1411
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just really

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really unnerving

1413
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,760
but i hear you man i mean that stuff

1414
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,160
actually happens it's crazy now when we

1415
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,599
come back we're going to talk about this

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00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,079
clip and as we start to set this up

1417
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:27,040
we've got about uh one minute here uh

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00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:31,119
chad how long is the

1419
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,520
the original sir no face clip

1420
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,680
um well the footage runs for like four

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00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,559
hours and 50 minutes uh

1422
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:42,799
this of straight footage but the clown

1423
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,440
but the actual oh the clip of sir no

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face where you see him probably about

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four seconds four seconds in its

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entirety

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did you have any idea the ghost side of

1428
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,640
it is one thing but did you have any

1429
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:56,960
idea that that four second clip

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was going to cause this kind of trouble

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no man

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no and that's and it becomes very

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00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:06,000
apparent that there's a lot of reasons

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00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,079
that maybe we should have

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especially when the film gets into

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when you start looking at the

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government's approach to this which we

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could talk about when we come back to

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right because their activities are

1440
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really weird really weird what's um but

1441
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:23,119
no that four seconds changed my life man

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00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,480
and craig's and a whole bunch of other

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00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,319
people let's take a break right here our

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00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,240
guest tonight chad kalec we're talking

1445
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,559
about his new documentary a sequel to

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00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:32,160
sir no face

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00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,280
it's called

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00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:36,720
two face the gray the links for two face

1449
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,839
and how to see it are right there at

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jimmychurchradio.com just click on it

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and it'll take you straight there all

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right this is fade to black i'm yours

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jimmy church our guest tonight chad

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kalec

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fade to black and the game changer

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network and kgr

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kgra the planet i'll be right back

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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church on fade to black across the globe

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on the game changer radio network and

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[Music]

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all right welcome back

1577
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if you're watching me on the bunker cam

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you can see that i'm tweeting

1579
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[Music]

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whenever i tweet during the break i get

1581
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caught up and i get hung up right as the

1582
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commercial break comes in our guest

1583
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:42,000
tonight

1584
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,000
is chad kalec and we're talking about

1585
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:46,000
two-face of the grey's new documentary i

1586
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that's what i was tweeting i just

1587
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tweeted out

1588
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uh the links uh to the documentary now

1589
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let's get uh specific here for everybody

1590
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so you can understand what we're talking

1591
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about when

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sir no face came out i i watched it and

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i had chad on

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you know what we i think we did fade to

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black and coast to coast back to back

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then didn't we yes sir and which we did

1597
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again this week uh you were just on

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coast to coast with me and and now

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you're on fade to black

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and uh now so when i saw

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sir no face i saw the clip and i went

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01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,880
that's not a ghost

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that's a gray that's what popped into my

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01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,880
head now i didn't i didn't want to say

1605
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:33,119
anything not only to chad i didn't want

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01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,480
to pollute

1607
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:37,119
you know his his ghost hunting efforts

1608
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,319
here because the clip clearly is cool

1609
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,640
maybe it is a ghost but it hit me as a

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01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:45,119
gray which i'm glad i didn't bring it up

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01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:48,880
because everybody else said it and that

1612
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was good enough for me right okay so

1613
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:52,000
that's

1614
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:55,680
now this clip let's talk about this clip

1615
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:58,640
what happens in the clip what do we see

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01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:59,520
okay

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um just run just just just a little bit

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here um yes what was crazy is like i

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said on the tour

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i thought for sure just because of the

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skeptical nature of the paranormal side

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on the go side

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that there would be all kinds of people

1624
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that wanted to argue whether or not it

1625
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was real i was floored that we played 28

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sold out fit shows

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and two people wanted to debate whether

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or not it was fake

1629
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everybody else on the tour was just like

1630
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dude you know craig totally captured

1631
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,880
something but yes about half our

1632
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audience which is very well demonstrated

1633
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in the film because we have the footage

1634
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from people giving their thoughts

1635
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kept saying it's an

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alien

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and

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the reason that i wasn't there initially

1639
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is because i've done a lot of research

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on shadow men uh shadow people the

1641
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phenomena and one of the unique things

1642
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,160
about uh and there's and there's much

1643
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,319
debate amongst uh the paranormal side

1644
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,720
and gentleman researchers as to whether

1645
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:59,039
or not uh when shadowmen appear do they

1646
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,400
or do they not

1647
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:02,880
have some degree of mass to them because

1648
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they stop light there's a guy named

1649
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uh keith age that was doing laser light

1650
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experiments in waverly hills that

1651
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demonstrated this

1652
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um so what i was thinking is that this

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could possibly be some form of shadow

1654
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:16,880
person

1655
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,400
but um in the footage itself

1656
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:22,960
um what occurs is

1657
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,599
craig is actually off the island

1658
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,400
um

1659
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,559
his wife and two other members

1660
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:30,000
of the team are left there with one

1661
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:31,599
security guard

1662
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:32,400
they

1663
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:34,000
lock a camera down for the night because

1664
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:35,200
they're just they're going to go to

1665
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:36,640
sleep they're camping to wake up in the

1666
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:37,520
morning

1667
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,640
the security guard locks the door

1668
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,440
um we have the ledgers to know who was

1669
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,280
on the island at 7 pm everybody has to

1670
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,720
leave the island but because they were

1671
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,319
given permission by the government they

1672
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:50,160
can stay there

1673
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:51,760
we know the door is locked where the

1674
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,400
camera is setting up and from where this

1675
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,119
entity whatever it is appears the only

1676
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,599
way to even get to this place

1677
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,119
you would have to walk in front of the

1678
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,119
camera to get there there's no entrance

1679
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:05,520
to this location anywhere else

1680
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:07,039
no one obviously ever walks in front of

1681
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,799
the camera

1682
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:10,559
there's a long hallway

1683
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:13,440
and two like french doors are opened

1684
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,799
and out of the wall

1685
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,880
this entity

1686
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:19,760
um

1687
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,400
steps forward looks directly down into

1688
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,720
the camera plain as they i mean it's

1689
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:26,319
like you don't gotta look hard for it

1690
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:27,680
it's right there

1691
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,480
and

1692
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,000
uh

1693
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,960
jumps back a little bit and when that

1694
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,480
doesn't jump it kind of jerks back a

1695
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,480
little bit but there's a fluidity

1696
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,960
to the way that this thing moves

1697
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,039
that the phys the physics are just off

1698
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:43,280
it's clearly not human

1699
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:44,240
and

1700
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,839
it disappears into the wall behind it

1701
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,440
now there's a lot of a lot of

1702
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,680
interesting things here

1703
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:53,520
the recreation footage in the original

1704
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,039
footage

1705
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,200
right away craig tried to recreate it

1706
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,960
with his team member

1707
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,960
the first thing we noticed is

1708
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,520
this building they're in uh known as the

1709
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:05,839
officer's quarters is literally falling

1710
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:06,799
apart

1711
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,920
um you can't walk anywhere without

1712
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,839
because it's these old wooden creaky

1713
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,960
floors

1714
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,280
you can't so much as stand without

1715
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,960
making noise i mean just anywhere you

1716
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,319
walk and lean

1717
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:20,400
there's loud cracks and bends and all

1718
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:21,679
this stuff

1719
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,880
and that entire four hours and 50 you

1720
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,640
know eight minutes of the camera films

1721
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,960
including when no face appears and

1722
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,400
disappears

1723
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,239
there is not a sound

1724
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,560
there is not a single

1725
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,679
sound

1726
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:37,759
so if someone was thinking that

1727
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,640
either someone uh was was was in the

1728
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:42,480
building at that time for four hours and

1729
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,239
58 minutes

1730
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,640
uh they'd have to do it somehow without

1731
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,960
making a sound uh which would be

1732
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,480
impossible to do

1733
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,279
um but the the real kicker

1734
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,679
is once we were able to line up uh

1735
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,279
craig's recreation footage and the

1736
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,880
actual footage

1737
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,120
uh once we lined up the perspectives

1738
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:03,040
because when he did the recreation

1739
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,960
footage he was kind of doing it by eye

1740
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,480
you know kind of i think it was the

1741
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:08,000
camera was close to here i'm close to

1742
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,960
here

1743
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,199
uh once we were able to pull into the

1744
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:13,520
final cut and do the perspective what we

1745
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,480
realized is sir no phase is about three

1746
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:18,799
and a half feet tall

1747
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,600
which was a big like aha moments in in

1748
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,239
sterno faces when he realized that whoa

1749
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:26,400
this thing is tiny

1750
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,359
and

1751
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,120
compared to craig who obviously is over

1752
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,799
six feet tall when craig did the

1753
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:32,799
recreation first of all he was loud as

1754
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:36,319
hell secondly he couldn't even get

1755
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,839
behind the open french door because the

1756
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,440
wall's there he couldn't hide fully

1757
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:41,279
behind it couldn't even get his body

1758
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,560
behind it

1759
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,440
um and obviously you know the most

1760
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,359
obvious thing is in the recreation

1761
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,440
footage you could just see it's craig it

1762
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:51,679
just looks like a dude

1763
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,880
like this is him you know so this thing

1764
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:56,880
being as small as it is

1765
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:57,760
um

1766
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,480
it would have to be a child so then it

1767
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:02,000
begs the question so who's going to lock

1768
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,280
their child

1769
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:05,520
in some house and sneak them in for four

1770
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:07,120
and a half hours

1771
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,840
and

1772
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,960
don't go to the bathroom they don't they

1773
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,800
don't make noise they don't anything so

1774
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,640
it became very obvious that the only way

1775
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,080
that this could have been possible is

1776
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:17,920
through cgi

1777
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:18,800
okay

1778
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,159
uh having said that uh from uh my work

1779
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:24,320
in the film business and i i worked on a

1780
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:25,360
project

1781
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,280
uh for about 18 months directly with

1782
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:29,360
steven spielberg i got to know a lot of

1783
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,560
his guys i'm a lot of his uh animators

1784
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,239
it just so happens that

1785
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,960
uh one of the top animators in hollywood

1786
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,120
uh the guy who actually brought

1787
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,280
transformers to life

1788
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:43,920
his name was danny he did all the cgi

1789
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:46,719
for iron man the avengers real steel

1790
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,000
benjamin button you name it he's the guy

1791
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,840
i took the footage to him

1792
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:53,600
and said listen i don't need you to tell

1793
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,560
me

1794
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:57,120
that this is a ghost i i you know i need

1795
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:58,719
you to tell me has this footage been

1796
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,760
altered

1797
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,280
and his first thing he said is well

1798
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,800
maybe you don't want me to do this man

1799
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,320
because i don't believe in ghosts at all

1800
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,840
and i said no that's that's why you're

1801
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,159
the guy you're the perfect guy

1802
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:09,840
like i want you

1803
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,600
to tell me

1804
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,600
is this footage manipulated that's all i

1805
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:15,040
need to know i'm not asking you to tell

1806
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,800
me it's a ghost or not

1807
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,440
is it manipulated and so and at this

1808
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:21,360
point you're you're you're you've got

1809
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:24,640
your debunking hat on right oh 100

1810
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,280
right 100 percent uh for for

1811
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,600
see when we first did sir no face i mean

1812
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,679
what i told craig is

1813
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,280
i want to make this documentary about

1814
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,280
you but you need to understand something

1815
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,199
like once we push go

1816
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,760
like you're not in control of this

1817
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,600
so if i find out

1818
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,640
that

1819
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,760
you have

1820
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,440
faked this

1821
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,840
i'm going to burn you dude like this

1822
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,760
movie is coming out you know what i mean

1823
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,320
so you need to be very sure

1824
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,719
before you say yes to this

1825
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,400
because you know it makes just as good

1826
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,040
of a documentary that you're catching a

1827
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:01,199
guy

1828
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,520
in some ways even better yeah you know

1829
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,239
and um and craig was from the jump was

1830
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,400
like i'm an open book man like let's do

1831
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,719
it it's it's authentic

1832
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,640
and he did not know in the beginning

1833
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,640
that i had these type of connections he

1834
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,159
did not know that i was going to take

1835
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,120
the footage to danny

1836
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,800
and so i did i took the footage danny

1837
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,199
patterson and i you know literally just

1838
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:25,040
said you just come back and tell me what

1839
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,640
you think man there's no wrong answer

1840
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:29,280
dude you attend what you think and danny

1841
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,800
right away uh two things uh that he said

1842
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,600
um

1843
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,040
first off he said

1844
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,880
you should be able to tell if something

1845
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,400
you know is manipulated i should be able

1846
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,239
to tell a pixel by pixel level they can

1847
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:42,159
get in there and see

1848
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:43,520
and he's like there are no dead

1849
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:46,960
giveaways here at all that this is fake

1850
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,840
and the one thing that that he spoke to

1851
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:51,600
me in private about too which i totally

1852
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:52,880
agreed with

1853
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,360
is part of their job as uh animators is

1854
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:59,360
to understand the physics of the human

1855
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,239
body

1856
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,640
so like when robert downey jr is running

1857
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,880
and jumps off into a cliff

1858
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:07,199
and the iron man suit starts hitting him

1859
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,560
and coming to life

1860
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,239
he's got to know

1861
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,920
the physics of the human body and what

1862
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:14,000
would it look like when he's running and

1863
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,520
he has to switch from real time to

1864
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,800
animation

1865
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,480
right he's got to know the way the human

1866
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,840
body works

1867
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,000
and you know he had stated as well too

1868
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,080
he's like there's something about it the

1869
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,440
physics are off like this thing's moving

1870
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,360
free of gravity or something he was like

1871
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,120
it's just it's just off

1872
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,520
and uh and i totally agreed with him

1873
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:35,760
but his determination in the end is that

1874
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,239
there was absolutely

1875
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:40,239
no

1876
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:45,600
so we had gotten to the point that i was

1877
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,719
certain

1878
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,719
that we captured

1879
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:49,840
something

1880
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,920
and because you know we were on a

1881
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,520
paranormal case

1882
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,040
and we were told by the australian

1883
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,280
government that this was you know ghost

1884
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,120
stuff like you know that's the stuff

1885
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,679
that we were focusing on but there were

1886
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:03,840
as you see in the film as you know

1887
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,320
um they've seen it now there were some

1888
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:07,600
definite

1889
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,679
things that we should have spent more

1890
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,320
time noticing in the first

1891
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:14,640
the first run through the investigation

1892
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,440
um and one of the biggest ones that is a

1893
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,960
dead giveaway

1894
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,120
to a lot of uh or at least that is

1895
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,000
included in a lot of contact t cases

1896
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:26,400
is the loss of time yeah no

1897
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,080
i was going to go there right now and

1898
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,800
what is interesting for me now we're

1899
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:32,719
going to go into the the missing time

1900
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:35,600
part of this it's it's very interesting

1901
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,560
is that

1902
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,360
if you had known

1903
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:42,480
from the beginning that this was

1904
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:46,239
a an alien et situation with the uh

1905
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,679
australian government and not ghosts

1906
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,400
would that have changed your methodology

1907
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,960
how you guys were approaching this or is

1908
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,679
it

1909
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,719
100

1910
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,239
okay because it's not the same

1911
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,480
investigation anymore is it

1912
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:02,159
well it's a totally different approach

1913
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,640
um you know first off

1914
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,560
i would have suspected the government

1915
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:09,360
more right away just because the history

1916
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,159
of ufology and government involvement

1917
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:14,719
right and when when we looked through

1918
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,360
that lens a lot of things became weird

1919
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:19,040
uh first off

1920
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,480
the government approaches them right

1921
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:22,320
away and none of us

1922
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,520
appeared in the first case there's

1923
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,440
something we're talking about now or sir

1924
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:28,880
no phase but the first thing they did

1925
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,360
is offered them a ton of money

1926
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,400
to like

1927
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,719
come out to the island they said listen

1928
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,280
you and as many team members as you want

1929
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,920
we'll pay you an hourly rate to come out

1930
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,239
you you determine your own schedule oh

1931
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,000
and beyond that we're also going to buy

1932
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,840
whatever equipment you want just just

1933
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,360
invoice us

1934
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:49,199
and you can be out there as long as you

1935
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,080
want

1936
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,960
to

1937
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,400
you know uh

1938
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,000
once they you know if they found

1939
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,320
anything they wanted them to lead

1940
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,480
um these you know ghost hunts and they

1941
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:02,640
were gonna pay them well for that too

1942
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,679
and i'm sitting here thinking hey

1943
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,159
any paranormal team all paranormal teams

1944
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:10,000
are used to doing things for free

1945
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:11,040
uh

1946
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,800
it's it's unheard of that a paranormal

1947
01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:14,239
team actually gets paid to go

1948
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,760
investigate a place so they would have

1949
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,600
cut off their arm to do this anyways

1950
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,520
right so why is the government right

1951
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:20,960
away

1952
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,679
coming at them with the holy grail offer

1953
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,040
and throwing tons of cash so the only

1954
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,960
reason you do that is to ensure somebody

1955
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:28,239
shows up

1956
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:29,520
you know you want to make sure they're

1957
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,880
going to be there

1958
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,800
and craig and his team they were they

1959
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,560
were sho not only were they showing the

1960
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,320
government footage of

1961
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,760
of what they were capturing from the

1962
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:40,080
cerno face footage they were physically

1963
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:41,360
taking them

1964
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:43,760
to experience what was known as sir's

1965
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,800
light and for those of you that don't

1966
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,239
know what this is

1967
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,360
uh sir no face in the officer's quarters

1968
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,199
on call

1969
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,760
could light up a room like a lightning

1970
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,679
bolt went off to the point where the

1971
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,000
light was so bright and it was emanating

1972
01:17:01,189 --> 01:17:00,239
from so many places that no shadows were

1973
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,199
cast

1974
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,440
it would just poof it would just go off

1975
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,800
and they were taking the government down

1976
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,320
to observe this

1977
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,000
in which members of the government were

1978
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:10,719
freaking out and but they just kept them

1979
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:14,080
going so why two years why would you

1980
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,760
keep them going two years and what's

1981
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:17,280
really interesting is when it came to an

1982
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,239
end

1983
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:20,239
they kept them going for two years doing

1984
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,120
this

1985
01:17:26,790 --> 01:17:24,719
and then finally i call craig and say

1986
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,800
i want to do an event there

1987
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,120
and or i'm looking for a place to do an

1988
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,600
event he says well listen we have full

1989
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:34,080
access place access to this place

1990
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,600
so i can just talk to the government let

1991
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:37,040
them know that yeah you want to do

1992
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:38,800
events we can do one

1993
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:42,320
so we do one and it becomes

1994
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,840
known later

1995
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:46,159
that i'm a documentary filmmaker who

1996
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,920
comes to the island

1997
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,400
ends up seeing craig's footage

1998
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:53,120
uh has all kinds of people there to see

1999
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,400
craig's footage which they the

2000
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,159
government initially did not know that

2001
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:58,960
he was going to share and then the day

2002
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:01,520
after the filmmaker leaves from another

2003
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:04,239
country the day after craig shows his

2004
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:07,760
footage to other members of the public

2005
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:09,920
the day after the government pulls the

2006
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,800
plug

2007
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,400
says your services are no longer needed

2008
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,679
you got to get your stuff get off the

2009
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:15,199
island you're not welcome to come back

2010
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:16,800
and go sign here anymore anything like

2011
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,719
that

2012
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:20,320
without any kind of explanation

2013
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:24,239
whatsoever so what i started thinking is

2014
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:27,120
was craig documenting something while he

2015
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:29,840
was out there or was the government

2016
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,239
documenting craig and his team

2017
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,320
interacting with something

2018
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:37,040
because it just made no

2019
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,960
sense no that version of it makes

2020
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,560
perfect sense

2021
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,159
i mean especially

2022
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,159
looking back in hindsight and looking at

2023
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:46,880
this footage and and how

2024
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:49,440
the facility got closed down

2025
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,960
and and the their approach to things and

2026
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:54,960
and the cut off of funds

2027
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,840
and suddenly you know the the the video

2028
01:19:01,830 --> 01:18:59,440
footage comes out

2029
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,840
and you start leaning on this ufo side

2030
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:03,120
of things and

2031
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,400
that's when it just got completely funky

2032
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:09,440
well and here's what's even stranger um

2033
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,600
i i wanted to talk to the government

2034
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,640
absolutely right away and what i hear

2035
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,880
back they actually contacted craig not

2036
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,840
me

2037
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,920
um and what they said is

2038
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,640
you know and craig has the emails um

2039
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:24,800
we're not going to speak about this

2040
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:27,040
which is a chat or anybody else

2041
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,560
do what you got to do

2042
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,040
but whatever the only thing that we ask

2043
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,440
is that he has he has the emails in the

2044
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,880
trailer in the film

2045
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:36,800
can you remove our names

2046
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,440
and i was like why are this is when sir

2047
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,600
no place is coming out and we're saying

2048
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,199
that it's a

2049
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:45,360
we believe it to be a ghost

2050
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:46,960
and i'm thinking

2051
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,840
are why aren't they telling us to stop

2052
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,280
this do they

2053
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,199
do they want

2054
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:55,440
this narrative is this what they want us

2055
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,400
to push

2056
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:58,080
and i couldn't figure out why i was like

2057
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:59,600
why at some point would they just not

2058
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,560
say

2059
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,480
listen that's you know footage you shot

2060
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,400
on that island without us without you

2061
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,480
know we own that footage like there's

2062
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:08,400
all kinds of legal arguments they could

2063
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:09,440
have put up

2064
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,000
and they didn't at all and i was like

2065
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,320
huh and then i hear

2066
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,400
that for the longest period of time for

2067
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:18,480
like six months they didn't allow any

2068
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,640
paranormal investigations then out of

2069
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,560
the blue we find out

2070
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,880
that they are now gonna start allowing

2071
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,719
them they're charging five thousand

2072
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,080
dollars a night

2073
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,080
uh they're bringing in not craig and his

2074
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,480
team who captured all the stuff some guy

2075
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,560
nobody's ever heard of and they're going

2076
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:36,159
into buildings

2077
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,280
that

2078
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:40,080
nobody has ever been in or have nothing

2079
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,000
has been occurred in and i started

2080
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:43,920
thinking i said craig this is just like

2081
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,760
they want that narrative they want oh

2082
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,600
it's a ghost it's a ghost but it's the

2083
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,520
same reason that if you were documenting

2084
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,000
them out there on an island the reason

2085
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,239
you would want to get a paranormal team

2086
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:55,760
to interact with

2087
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,360
say it was a gray

2088
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,360
is because if they went public it would

2089
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,360
be so easy to make fun of them and do

2090
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,400
the same old thing right all these crazy

2091
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,320
ghost hunters they found an alien of

2092
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,840
course they did

2093
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:09,280
you know what i mean like [\h__\h] like that

2094
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:10,960
or stuff like that sorry

2095
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:15,199
um so it uh it just blows my mind

2096
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:16,320
that

2097
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,080
not tell us to stop

2098
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,239
but what makes perfect sense of what

2099
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:24,960
you're talking about is

2100
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:26,840
if when when we

2101
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,440
started listening to our audience when

2102
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:31,600
we started turning towards

2103
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,560
that alien narrative and is this the

2104
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:35,760
potential

2105
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:39,199
that's when things have got really weird

2106
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,480
that's when

2107
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:43,040
uh craig since we've been done filming

2108
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:44,960
and this is one of my main reasons for

2109
01:21:49,350 --> 01:21:47,280
wanting to get this film out there

2110
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:49,360
um he stopped calling me for about a

2111
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,600
week and a half almost two weeks

2112
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,679
and i'm like what is going on this is

2113
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:55,760
not like him he's an instant call back

2114
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,880
type of guy

2115
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,239
and then i start getting all these phone

2116
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,760
calls from different pay phones and

2117
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:01,920
stuff over in australia

2118
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,719
and it's nikki and she finally calls me

2119
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,880
and she is super freaked out

2120
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:08,960
and she was like chad they came back and

2121
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,760
i'm like what who and she's like these

2122
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,679
two guys came back

2123
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,159
craig was at home alone he looks over by

2124
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:18,400
the door and her cat

2125
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,880
is having like seizures and craig's like

2126
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,400
what is going on

2127
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:24,800
and as he walks over to the door

2128
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,159
he feels like this um like electricity

2129
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:30,800
basically like in his body he's like you

2130
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:32,560
know and it hurts and he's like sitting

2131
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,480
there like almost like he can't move

2132
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,679
and he looks through the door and he

2133
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,920
sees that both of them are there

2134
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,679
in which they open the door and they

2135
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:42,080
tell him according to him

2136
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,040
they tell him straight up

2137
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,360
you know we can ruin you you need to

2138
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:49,440
stop this we know where your wife's at

2139
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,199
right now we know where your kids are at

2140
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:54,239
we know all this like this is done

2141
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:57,600
we have eyes on you 24 7. it's over

2142
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,800
in which craig got a nosebleed from it

2143
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,520
and was completely freaked out now when

2144
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,760
you hear a story this big

2145
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,880
i realized that the tendency is to just

2146
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:11,520
go oh come on come on

2147
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,960
i know this man jimmy i know this man i

2148
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,480
know his wife

2149
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,080
i know these

2150
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,560
i know they are being honest and that's

2151
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,960
what's so crazy about all this is i know

2152
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:24,639
they're being honest

2153
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,000
um i eventually did speak to craig again

2154
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,480
in which he was extremely scared

2155
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,040
uh very much beside himself his wife was

2156
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,360
as well um and then i got another phone

2157
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,120
call from nikki a week later this is

2158
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:39,040
just now a couple weeks ago

2159
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,560
in which she said

2160
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,719
chad they are watching our house

2161
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,880
and i said well

2162
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:45,920
can you

2163
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,800
get a picture or get them on video

2164
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,880
and a couple days later i get a phone

2165
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:52,239
call and she said okay i'm gonna send

2166
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,440
you a picture and i'm like what is it

2167
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:55,199
and she goes just look at it

2168
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,639
and she described she said that there

2169
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:58,159
was a man

2170
01:24:02,470 --> 01:23:59,840
that was hanging out in the shadows of

2171
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,480
the trees outside their place and she

2172
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,199
said he had some kind of mask on that

2173
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,120
had a light glow to it and that's how

2174
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,280
they could see him i'm like what are you

2175
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:10,560
talking about

2176
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,520
well i guess craig had saw him out there

2177
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,760
and went out the back of his door to his

2178
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,440
house and maneuvered maneuvered himself

2179
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,520
around to take this photo and when i was

2180
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:20,800
with you last time i showed you the

2181
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,360
photo i've seen the photo i've seen it's

2182
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,520
disturbing yes i've seen it that freaked

2183
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:26,880
me out yeah

2184
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,199
it's really disturbing

2185
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,520
uh so for those of you out there

2186
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,800
listening

2187
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:34,719
um

2188
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,360
well the photo the photo uh we're gonna

2189
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:39,040
hit a break here

2190
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:40,400
the photo

2191
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:41,600
is

2192
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,920
across the street

2193
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,520
the photos like from the house and you

2194
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,120
can see the street in between and then

2195
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:52,159
over across the street is this figure

2196
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,280
standing there in black but has got this

2197
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,120
crazy

2198
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,480
mask on his face well

2199
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,800
it's it's a it's a distortion over the

2200
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:04,320
face i think it's a better way to

2201
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:05,600
describe it

2202
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,080
uh yeah and it's bright

2203
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,719
there's a glow and it's crazy that's a

2204
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,719
disturbing and now if somebody showed me

2205
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,719
the picture i don't know what i would

2206
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,800
make of it you get the back story to it

2207
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:18,560
you know the men in black and we've got

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01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,679
right this uh this alien in this video

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and and the government somebody is

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01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,600
messing with this and knocks at the door

2211
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,080
and then you take this picture it's a

2212
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,239
freaky picture it's a it's it's

2213
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:32,639
disturbing for sure well it's all

2214
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,400
disturbing the thing that keeps that

2215
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:36,880
this case is so mind-blowing to me when

2216
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:38,000
the government involvement is the

2217
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,800
government has yet to deny anything

2218
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:42,000
they've yet to

2219
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:43,840
talk about anything to say we're crazy

2220
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,000
to say no it's not happening right i

2221
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:47,760
mean it's just you know it's the

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01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,800
craziest case ever now when we come back

2223
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:52,960
okay this is uh let's set up for when we

2224
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,400
come back we're going to talk about this

2225
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:55,760
missing time

2226
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:00,400
and how many members of the team

2227
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,199
are on location how many how big is the

2228
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:04,960
group

2229
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,520
well at that time they had nine members

2230
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:09,199
and they would usually do

2231
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:10,560
uh four

2232
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:13,520
on a night or five four or five minutes

2233
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:14,960
yeah and so

2234
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,600
just like any ghost hunting paranormal

2235
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,040
investigation you've got multiple

2236
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:21,120
cameras you're having to time stamp

2237
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:22,560
everything you're shooting all night

2238
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,960
long you've got cameras rolling you've

2239
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,280
got uh all of the uh

2240
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,760
time codes and everything else so

2241
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:31,840
everybody's always documenting their

2242
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,719
location so you know where you're at and

2243
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,040
you have to explain and debunk things

2244
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,000
that happen in in in shots oh

2245
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,920
we were there we were in the hallway so

2246
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:44,000
it could be our shadow because we you

2247
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,760
know everything is logged correct

2248
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,520
correct well especially with these guys

2249
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:51,600
yeah they were

2250
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,880
dead on with this stuff dead on and this

2251
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,280
is where the missing time comes in and

2252
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,520
when we come back after this break we're

2253
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:02,239
going to get to that and in the

2254
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uh

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01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,040
here

2256
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,679
and you need to go in and watch this and

2257
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,600
it's not so much we're gonna talk about

2258
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:16,080
this after the break it's not so much

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the

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uh

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the missing time part because that's

2262
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,719
obvious it's the reactions from

2263
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,639
everybody and how it goes down so let's

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take a break right here our guest

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jimmy church tonight chad kalec is with

2352
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,520
us we're talking about two face the gray

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01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,360
his new documentary

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here and wednesday night

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robert shock thursday night's fader

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night open lines all night long back to

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chad and now let's get to this missing

2359
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:41,040
time element

2360
01:32:47,910 --> 01:32:45,040
uh which is pretty amazing how it goes

2361
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:47,920
down in the documentary you present

2362
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,920
all of the footage there let's start

2363
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:51,600
from the beginning we'll get to the

2364
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:54,560
reactions of everybody in a second but

2365
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,520
uh

2366
01:32:59,430 --> 01:32:58,320
as they start marching up the stairs is

2367
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,440
where

2368
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,199
uh as they are

2369
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:03,920
continuing this investigation that's

2370
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:06,320
where it starts tell us about that yeah

2371
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:09,120
well what's really cool about it is part

2372
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:10,560
of the reason why

2373
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:12,800
i wanted to document these guys is

2374
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:14,960
because after watching the footage

2375
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:16,800
they were they're so

2376
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:19,199
like professional about what they do

2377
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,440
they just do it all right i mean they

2378
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:22,560
were not

2379
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,280
a team that came together because

2380
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,600
of uh you know trying to get a tv show

2381
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:29,760
or something i mean these guys were like

2382
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:31,840
into it like marines

2383
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:33,120
and

2384
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:36,400
so right away what you see is uh richie

2385
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:39,040
a member of the team is he's setting up

2386
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:41,199
uh you know the different uh you know

2387
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:43,040
rim pods and different you know the wave

2388
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:45,040
recorders and they're

2389
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:46,880
they're doing their baseline walk around

2390
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:48,080
to basically

2391
01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:49,520
figure out what are the natural sounds

2392
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:50,880
of the building

2393
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:52,800
and he's uh you know basically

2394
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,920
explaining

2395
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:55,120
to nikki

2396
01:33:59,590 --> 01:33:58,239
um you know why and where he has set

2397
01:34:02,550 --> 01:33:59,600
things up

2398
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:02,560
and um a couple of the room pods start

2399
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:04,080
um

2400
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:05,760
which are like field meters field

2401
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:07,360
detector meters and they start kind of

2402
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:09,520
malfunctioning and he's explaining that

2403
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,679
it was weird and why

2404
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,679
and you know before the whole thing even

2405
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,520
starts they say okay

2406
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,199
well this is here we are you know this

2407
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,960
is the date this is the time they all

2408
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:20,000
log it

2409
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:21,440
right there there's a third person with

2410
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,520
them they all log the time

2411
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:25,280
and you can follow right along with them

2412
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:26,480
i mean they're

2413
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:27,440
um

2414
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:29,040
walking through it all they get to the

2415
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,719
top of the stairs

2416
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:32,880
i mean they've probably you know maybe

2417
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:34,880
only been at it for i think i think he

2418
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:36,080
says that's the end it's been nine

2419
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:37,199
minutes

2420
01:34:41,110 --> 01:34:38,960
and so they all three log their time in

2421
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:41,120
the beginning and they get to the

2422
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:42,320
bottom of the stairs and move it to a

2423
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,760
different floor

2424
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,400
and nikki basically says well hey guys

2425
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,239
let's go ahead and log our time again

2426
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:50,320
because we're moving to another floor

2427
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:51,760
and uh

2428
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:53,600
you know it's about as authentic as

2429
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:55,360
anything that you'll ever see

2430
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,120
uh you know she stops and she was like

2431
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,040
wait a minute it's like that can't be

2432
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:01,920
right can't it and you know uh

2433
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:02,960
they're walking down the stairs and

2434
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:04,719
richie's kind of like standing and she

2435
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:07,040
goes hey and she stops him and she's

2436
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:09,120
like what time do you guys have

2437
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:11,280
and he's like why and she was like

2438
01:35:14,870 --> 01:35:13,199
you know i basically had that it's been

2439
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:14,880
over an hour that we've been here yeah

2440
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,800
she said i think i i could be wrong

2441
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:19,199
she's like it's 1205.

2442
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:20,000
and

2443
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,520
i think it's what she says it doesn't

2444
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,840
matter but yeah like it's true

2445
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:25,600
no it's not it can't be

2446
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,800
we've been on these stairs for an hour

2447
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:30,960
yeah and you're watching and they they

2448
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,199
checked their they both independently

2449
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:35,760
checked their watches as well

2450
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,880
and she's like and richie it says back

2451
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:39,840
huh

2452
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:43,840
yeah i i guess it is it's now this time

2453
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:46,639
and what's crazy is

2454
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:49,360
you know when i have all the footage

2455
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,480
um

2456
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:52,239
they go back from the moment they check

2457
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,679
their

2458
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,679
watch until the first

2459
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,679
loss of time check that they do

2460
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:59,520
it was all of nine minutes yeah nine

2461
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:02,400
minutes and uh

2462
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,280
and

2463
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,760
i don't mean to laugh but because it

2464
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:07,679
goes down in real time and you can see

2465
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:11,280
it and you're watching the footage um

2466
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,080
clearly it hasn't been that long right

2467
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,400
right right right yes there's no way and

2468
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,960
there's no way and this wasn't

2469
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:20,880
the only time that this had happened

2470
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:22,400
this had happened to other members on

2471
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:24,800
the island before this had happened

2472
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,199
during evp sessions before

2473
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:29,440
uh this was just the time that that was

2474
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:30,320
so

2475
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:33,679
clearly visible on on you know the with

2476
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,239
the cameras um why used to laugh and say

2477
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:38,960
to craig i'd be like this island reminds

2478
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,360
me of like the lost island you know like

2479
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,760
and then the tv show lost right where

2480
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:45,360
like just everything seems to be

2481
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:46,880
possible here

2482
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:49,040
you know uh it's the weirdest thing i

2483
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:50,480
mean um

2484
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:53,760
but about that footage specifically

2485
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:57,040
you know what's so unique about it is

2486
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,440
there's an authenticity that comes when

2487
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:01,360
people are being real

2488
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:02,719
and

2489
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,600
conversation that goes on

2490
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:09,920
because nikki is clearly just freaked

2491
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:12,960
out by what's going on now how is this

2492
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,520
how was this in relation to the time

2493
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:17,199
stamp on

2494
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:19,840
on on two face at that moment when he

2495
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:22,560
pops in the french doors

2496
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:24,159
is is it

2497
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,920
close to that same time

2498
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,080
oh sure no face

2499
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,719
uh yeah i know the the sarno face but i

2500
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,560
think he says i don't think he included

2501
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:35,119
in the interview this was a day or two

2502
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,000
before sir no face happened okay got you

2503
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:41,520
um yeah same same basic area yeah

2504
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:43,440
um basic time point

2505
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:44,400
um

2506
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,800
so yeah i mean it's it's really

2507
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:48,560
astonishing and that was something that

2508
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:50,320
that always struck with me and we did

2509
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,159
talk about that a lot

2510
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,480
do we include this and sir no face do we

2511
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,880
not include business or no phase and one

2512
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:58,320
of the reasons that we did initially

2513
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:01,760
included is because um

2514
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:04,159
with the paranormal world

2515
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:05,920
uh

2516
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,960
which is different than the world of

2517
01:38:10,390 --> 01:38:08,960
ufology but the paranormal world

2518
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:10,400
all people really care about from a

2519
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,000
filmmaking standpoint is what they can

2520
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,719
visibly see right so we were like okay

2521
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:16,560
we just want to focus on the hard

2522
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,840
evidence of like the visual stuff and

2523
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:22,080
not overlay people with so many

2524
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:24,639
different events that you start diluting

2525
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:27,040
everything by so much stuff

2526
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:28,400
and it was already an hour and 40

2527
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,119
minutes long documentary and also the

2528
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:33,360
implications we knew

2529
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,159
were more extraterrestrial than they

2530
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:38,560
were paranormal because that's that's

2531
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,040
not a common occurrence in in ghost

2532
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:43,360
cases you don't often hear people go man

2533
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:44,960
time just disappeared

2534
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,719
you know that's just not but you hear it

2535
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:47,920
constantly

2536
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:50,880
and especially in contact d cases

2537
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,440
and this also happened

2538
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,760
as i get into the the tattooed face man

2539
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,679
that brought me the package

2540
01:39:02,030 --> 01:38:59,520
and reading his story

2541
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:02,040
that was in his package it dated back to

2542
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,520
1973 he and his wife were in townsville

2543
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:07,920
rent-a-car drove around the corner

2544
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:11,440
and saw this glowing ships of light

2545
01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:13,440
that's the description ufo

2546
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:16,159
in which the first thing he experienced

2547
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,000
his loss of time

2548
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:20,000
that he thought it had been 15 minutes

2549
01:39:24,229 --> 01:39:22,960
and it had been close to 10 hours

2550
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:24,239
so

2551
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,679
this happens a lot and then um i want to

2552
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:30,320
move on i want everybody to go and you

2553
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,360
just have to go and watch the

2554
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:33,760
documentary and see how this is is laid

2555
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:36,639
out it's a very crucial point

2556
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,800
uh for all of us in the ufo community

2557
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,560
when you have the missing time element

2558
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:42,719
thrown in that's when we all raise an

2559
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,040
eyebrow you know it's it's it's a common

2560
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:47,520
theme that is that is woven through

2561
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:51,360
but um and then you had the tattoo faced

2562
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:52,239
guy

2563
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:56,239
and his experience but then for me

2564
01:40:02,709 --> 01:39:58,400
you really went down the rabbit hole

2565
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:02,719
when you got contacted by somebody else

2566
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:06,159
uh daniel david skyfall dan david

2567
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:09,119
skyfall now yeah which which dare i say

2568
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:11,679
is not his christian name

2569
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,239
and as you mentioned you know i'm sure

2570
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:16,400
something uh well i'm hoping something's

2571
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,159
gonna pop up here in twitter daniel

2572
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:19,679
david skyfall

2573
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,400
so you get uh your first email

2574
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,639
from him and he reaches out to you what

2575
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:26,080
happens what what did he say in that

2576
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:28,719
evening so i come home and now

2577
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,920
you know i i get emails all the time uh

2578
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:33,840
you know from fans that you know even

2579
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:35,920
have their own experiences or they have

2580
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:37,760
ideas

2581
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,360
this was different right away i mean

2582
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:40,719
this thing

2583
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:41,600
was

2584
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,560
a book sized email

2585
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,199
and this gentleman very bluntly

2586
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:49,679
said hey

2587
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:51,360
i i know you are

2588
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:52,960
i know what you're doing

2589
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:56,719
uh you and craig um primarily craig

2590
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,360
initially have stumbled upon something

2591
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:01,280
much greater than you

2592
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:02,719
um

2593
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:05,440
and this is what's going on and i'll get

2594
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:07,119
into that in a second and it was just

2595
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,719
again like like if i had to print it out

2596
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:10,239
i've been 60 pages i mean i never

2597
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,600
flipped so many times with my thumb in

2598
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:13,600
my life reading this email

2599
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,280
and um

2600
01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:17,440
so i start questioning him back right

2601
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,400
away

2602
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,560
and just going well come on your name

2603
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,560
can't be danny david skyfall i mean that

2604
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:24,159
sounds about as cheesy as like like i

2605
01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:25,440
think i say in the film it's like it

2606
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,040
sounds like the bad guy in a james bond

2607
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:30,080
film or something right and he replies

2608
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:31,440
and says

2609
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,480
you know i'm not going to give you my

2610
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,400
real name and don't even try to look for

2611
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,679
it you're not going to find it he

2612
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:37,600
claimed that he worked for

2613
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:38,639
um

2614
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:41,119
an unacknowledged uh

2615
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:44,239
intelligent agency in which his job

2616
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,320
was to blur the ufo narrative in

2617
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:48,080
whatever direction he was ultimately

2618
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:49,199
told to

2619
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,239
uh

2620
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,400
through through basically

2621
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,880
a disinformation making certain people

2622
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:56,639
look stupid

2623
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:58,639
um just putting things out into the

2624
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:01,679
world to to basically bend whatever they

2625
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:03,520
want the story to be and which he

2626
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,440
claimed and does until he learned the

2627
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:06,880
real story

2628
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,520
in which again he claims that he's

2629
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:10,960
essentially trying to

2630
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:12,719
the i guess the way this looks right

2631
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:13,920
right is wrong she's trying to get the

2632
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:16,639
real story out there right now now i did

2633
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:19,360
not believe any of this i told him that

2634
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,560
and i said uh and and by the way i found

2635
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:24,400
his story to be fascinating the stuff

2636
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,400
that he sent me but i just said you know

2637
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,280
this could also you know you could just

2638
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,520
be some guy that's just messing with me

2639
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,520
so i asked him a very very unique

2640
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,960
question one question that i knew

2641
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:36,719
there's no possible way that he could

2642
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:37,840
know

2643
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,080
as chad now that's actually a nickname

2644
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:43,840
my father gave to me my real name is

2645
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,040
charles now some people know this it's

2646
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:48,639
been mentioned before in the public but

2647
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,760
but one thing i knew that nobody knew

2648
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:54,000
is that i actually have four names i

2649
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:56,639
have two middle names uh charles michael

2650
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,520
david calek is actually my name uh but

2651
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,000
but the only way the only place on

2652
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,760
planet earth that david shows up is on

2653
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:05,760
my birth certificate it's not in

2654
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:07,600
anything else it's just

2655
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,480
it's the dropped name in my name

2656
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:12,080
and nobody knows this except like my

2657
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,119
wife

2658
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,880
or my mom my dad it's nowhere in the

2659
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:17,280
public never spoke about it so i said to

2660
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,159
him

2661
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:20,560
i'm gonna ask you a few questions

2662
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:21,280
and

2663
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:22,960
a couple i felt like if he dug deep

2664
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,159
enough he can find but the most

2665
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:26,800
important one was what is my middle name

2666
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:29,440
in which uh here's what's weird i would

2667
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:31,520
respond to him and i would get an email

2668
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,679
back stating

2669
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:36,239
like that that email doesn't exist like

2670
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,080
when someone sends you an email and then

2671
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:40,320
just shuts down their account so it'd be

2672
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:41,920
like it doesn't exist but the weird

2673
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,880
thing is

2674
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,800
then i would get a response to the email

2675
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:45,920
that i sent

2676
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,080
i'm like whoa this is like a hacker like

2677
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:49,440
what is going on

2678
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:56,310
he says i i he says exact words in the

2679
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:58,400
film but essentially says it's a trick

2680
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,600
question

2681
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:01,760
your middle name or which do you prefer

2682
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,080
michael or david yeah and i about fell

2683
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,440
out of my chair right i was like what is

2684
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:09,440
going on

2685
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,560
and uh so i i basically

2686
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,880
respond to him and say

2687
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,400
you know

2688
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,400
you should come forward if the story

2689
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,400
that you're telling me is true you know

2690
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,320
you should come forward

2691
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:23,840
and in which he made it clear that

2692
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,520
that's not an option

2693
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,480
um but the story that he laid out was

2694
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:31,119
just fascinating to me

2695
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:33,840
and it was

2696
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,400
what he's saying is that

2697
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:38,400
you know this uh this narrative that

2698
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,080
people have been talking about for years

2699
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:42,719
of this like fake alien invasion coming

2700
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:46,159
um he's basically laying out that

2701
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,040
that

2702
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:49,199
there's going to be a fake alien

2703
01:44:54,149 --> 01:44:51,440
invasion to gain the support of the

2704
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,159
public because there's a real one coming

2705
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:56,159
and the powers that be

2706
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:57,520
that are running

2707
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,199
uh you know the industrial military

2708
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:01,360
complex the oil complex like all these

2709
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:03,600
companies that they don't want to give

2710
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:05,119
up what they're doing and they they do

2711
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,440
want to fight they do want a war and

2712
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:09,040
what he's been saying

2713
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:10,560
and which is the most fascinating thing

2714
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:12,800
in his tale that he lays out there

2715
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:15,520
is that we have been attacking

2716
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:19,040
ufos and extraterrestrials for

2717
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:20,880
60 years

2718
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,600
and he lays out where these attacks were

2719
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:25,119
when they happened

2720
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,400
who was involved and which will be

2721
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,480
interesting about that story jimmy like

2722
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:30,320
in the beginning of it when i'm laying

2723
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,520
out his

2724
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:32,880
narrative

2725
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:34,800
there's things that sound like so crazy

2726
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:37,360
like the whole uranium thing like in

2727
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:38,560
antarctica

2728
01:45:41,830 --> 01:45:40,800
but then like later on many many years

2729
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:41,840
later

2730
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,520
you know uh you start seeing these

2731
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:45,600
interviews where these facts start

2732
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:46,800
coming out

2733
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:48,560
um one of my favorite parts of that

2734
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:49,600
story

2735
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:52,239
is when uh admiral byrd

2736
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:53,920
many people have seen it admiral byrd

2737
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:57,360
has given that interview on that tv show

2738
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,400
about him going through antarctica and

2739
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,719
he's talking about all of the

2740
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:03,920
um

2741
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:06,320
things that could be mined in uh he's

2742
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:08,400
like there's oil down there and there's

2743
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:11,360
this that this and he pauses and he gets

2744
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,840
a smile and he's like and there's

2745
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:15,360
uranium

2746
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,080
and that's like one of the first things

2747
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:20,239
that daniel david skyfall listed in his

2748
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,199
story

2749
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:23,440
that all of these countries

2750
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:24,960
germany

2751
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:27,440
russia and the united states that's what

2752
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:30,000
initially took us to

2753
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:31,280
antarctica

2754
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:34,080
was looking for uranium for for what

2755
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,199
would be the first nuclear bomb

2756
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,119
so it gets heavy deep and you're right

2757
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:41,520
it goes way down the rabbit hole

2758
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:43,679
and i'm still trying to get this

2759
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,800
gentleman

2760
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:46,880
to come forward and i'm hoping that

2761
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,600
somebody out there hears this name

2762
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:51,600
daniel david skyfall

2763
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,880
and knows something about this

2764
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:56,480
because the one thing i do want to add

2765
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,480
to everybody is you know a lot of times

2766
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,480
in the in the at least if the ufology

2767
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:02,239
side is anything like the ghost side of

2768
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:03,520
the paranormal

2769
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,639
people

2770
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:06,639
just love to know everything they just

2771
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,719
love to be the guy that knows

2772
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,719
i'm not that guy i'm that guy that

2773
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,880
believes in like the landline you know

2774
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,159
like when you play

2775
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,639
uh what's that one game uh where they

2776
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:18,880
like i'd like to go to the audience from

2777
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,480
a landline and then usually it's the

2778
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,480
right answer like i think the only way

2779
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:24,080
we're going to get answers is sourcing a

2780
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,000
large group of people

2781
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,639
and so this film is very much

2782
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,960
not only my investigation but very much

2783
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,639
a call to the public

2784
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:33,679
to say

2785
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,400
let's figure this out together

2786
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:38,320
figure out what's going on and what you

2787
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:43,199
do in the film you probably take a full

2788
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:45,199
it's got to be man it seems like about

2789
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:48,239
30 minutes you break down this email

2790
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:51,280
from daniel david skyfall in its

2791
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,040
entirety

2792
01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:55,440
yeah it's exactly 30 minutes out of the

2793
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,679
hour and 48 minute film and 30 minutes

2794
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,320
of it is about his story because there

2795
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:03,440
was no way to tell it without telling it

2796
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:05,679
you know as far as like how

2797
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:07,920
um because the chain of events like

2798
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,520
breaking down the years and the dates

2799
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:11,840
and the days and when this happened

2800
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,360
and the leaders of the different

2801
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,440
countries was very important

2802
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,960
um

2803
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,480
and then obviously it brings you all the

2804
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,480
way up to full scale with

2805
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,400
elon musk and what's going on right now

2806
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:24,639
which you know we had this conversation

2807
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:27,040
too uh last time i saw you where

2808
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:29,199
uh my first manager that i ever had back

2809
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:31,280
in the day he wasn't talking uh

2810
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:33,119
paranormally speaking but it still makes

2811
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:34,080
sense

2812
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,520
he said this we were actually talking

2813
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,960
about the industry back then but he said

2814
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,080
you know if you ever really want if you

2815
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:40,080
ever really want to know what is going

2816
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:41,360
on in the world

2817
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:43,199
just look at the actions of the ultra

2818
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:45,440
wealthy and the ultra elite and what's

2819
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:47,360
really unique right now is

2820
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,280
whether it's elon musk or you know bezos

2821
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:53,119
or bozeman or

2822
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:54,719
branson everybody's trying to get off

2823
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,840
the planet

2824
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,119
everyone's trying to get to mars and

2825
01:49:01,830 --> 01:48:59,280
they're trying to get there quick

2826
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:01,840
and it's so weird how

2827
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:03,360
and the reason i bring this up is part

2828
01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:04,320
of

2829
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,639
surrounded that

2830
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,119
that there is such an urgency that came

2831
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:13,520
out of nowhere

2832
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:17,119
to get off this planet and to do it fast

2833
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:18,400
the uh

2834
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:22,239
uh the other parts of his letter um how

2835
01:49:25,590 --> 01:49:23,440
much

2836
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:25,600
as you were confirming some of the stuff

2837
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:26,960
how much

2838
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,360
uh correspondence did you have back and

2839
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:36,550
not a lot because i could tell he he

2840
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:38,960
he was getting nervous i think by me

2841
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,920
because i was trying to get him i was

2842
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:43,679
trying to get him to reveal his real

2843
01:49:47,590 --> 01:49:45,920
identity and meet with me

2844
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:47,600
that's what i wanted i wanted him to

2845
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:48,960
meet with me

2846
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,800
because i kept saying to him look i can

2847
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,119
tell your story and it can be very

2848
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,679
compelling i believe that it is

2849
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:57,360
but if you really want to drive this

2850
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,239
home

2851
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:00,560
you got to step forward

2852
01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:03,440
like you got to let people confirm

2853
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:06,560
you know who you are and you know in the

2854
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,560
initial response i got back about that

2855
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,000
he said you don't understand how this

2856
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,800
works they would never allow that

2857
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,679
and

2858
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,280
i think i kind of know what he means in

2859
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:17,040
the sense that like

2860
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:19,679
if you look at uh i recently watched uh

2861
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,320
the bob lazar documentary uh which i

2862
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:24,000
thought jeremy cordell did a is a

2863
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:26,239
beautiful film very much an homage to

2864
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:27,840
bob and his story and

2865
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,560
i thought it was great um but

2866
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,639
uh the same problem exists there's

2867
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:34,639
enough of his past that's put into

2868
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:36,840
question

2869
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:39,679
that there will always be the ability to

2870
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:42,080
punch holes in that story

2871
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,960
um

2872
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:44,159
and

2873
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,440
i think that's kind of what he was

2874
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:47,520
saying is like

2875
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,880
you know i can't

2876
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:50,639
like they'll never let that happen like

2877
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,560
i can't come for no man no one's gonna

2878
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:54,880
go yep he's right that's what he did he

2879
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:56,960
worked for us he did this

2880
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:59,440
and we've seen that you know in history

2881
01:51:01,910 --> 01:51:00,719
one of the things that the film jumps

2882
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:01,920
into is

2883
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,440
um you know recently with uh the tom

2884
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:07,840
delong thing and the the government

2885
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:10,159
releasing the three clips right the dod

2886
01:51:13,270 --> 01:51:11,840
reasoning three

2887
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,280
what the public doesn't realize a lot of

2888
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:15,199
people the public don't realize is

2889
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:17,119
when you see like the

2890
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,239
uh

2891
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,400
captain david fravor who flew the plane

2892
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:22,880
at the tic tac ufo and when you see

2893
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:26,320
these guys on fox and on cnn it's not

2894
01:51:29,590 --> 01:51:27,040
like

2895
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,600
fox and cnn called them up and found no

2896
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:31,199
like the department of defense had

2897
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:33,600
publicists they had people who like set

2898
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:35,119
all this up

2899
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,679
like there's a reason why all this stuff

2900
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,080
is coming out right now

2901
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,760
and why forever

2902
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:43,520
if you said there was a ufo the

2903
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:47,040
government stance was you're crazy

2904
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:47,760
drunk mistaken

2905
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,639
swamp gas it's balloons

2906
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,560
you know you're a whack job and then it

2907
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:54,960
turns out oh i guess you're not

2908
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,520
and they do it that easily so i think

2909
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,840
what he was trying to say to me

2910
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,360
is that when he says they would never

2911
01:52:04,229 --> 01:52:03,199
let that happen i think he he just means

2912
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:04,239
that

2913
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,960
then you know he the narrative

2914
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,639
he can't put a name to his face because

2915
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:10,800
they'll destroy who he really is

2916
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:13,920
um but i i don't know i just don't

2917
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:16,800
i think there's enough belief in it now

2918
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,840
that things could be different than

2919
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:19,119
they've been in the past and maybe i'm

2920
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:21,280
just being optimistic when was the last

2921
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:23,280
time you had correspondence uh with

2922
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:25,119
skyfall

2923
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:28,000
how many times no what the last

2924
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,840
oh the last was probably i would say

2925
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,599
i could well i could look it up exactly

2926
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:35,040
it would have been right before it

2927
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,719
should have been

2928
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:38,400
right before halloween

2929
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,119
so it hasn't been it's been since then

2930
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:43,440
so just before halloween okay so a few

2931
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,760
months or or less right okay yeah um why

2932
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,159
he's probably listening to this program

2933
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:51,920
right now so

2934
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:54,719
i'm gonna ask uh sky fall to reach out

2935
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:57,520
to chad and i again

2936
01:53:02,550 --> 01:52:59,760
uh reach back to us

2937
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,560
and i would like to uh talk to you and

2938
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:05,360
let's do it together uh with chad

2939
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,040
and um

2940
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:09,920
and and take things a step further

2941
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:13,040
and the reason the reason for that is

2942
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:14,719
there are a certain amount of

2943
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,239
disclosures that he does in this email

2944
01:53:24,070 --> 01:53:20,400
especially towards the end

2945
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:24,080
which i'm pretty comfortable in

2946
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:25,360
in

2947
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:29,199
you know yeah and i just want to go

2948
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:31,119
there i it's as far as i want to go with

2949
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,480
it in that

2950
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:35,599
with uh what happened in 2018 and what

2951
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,239
we can expect in 2019 when it comes to

2952
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:40,719
disclosure and what is going on with

2953
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,760
like elon musk and his posting his

2954
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,440
tweeting of uh

2955
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:46,639
uh

2956
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:48,880
of armstrong you know with the picture

2957
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,119
of the alien and you know

2958
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:53,920
that spelled backwards is is alien oh

2959
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:56,480
okay there's like a lot of strange

2960
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,199
things that are happening right now so

2961
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,800
don't play out with that narrative and

2962
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:03,040
that story yeah i'm pretty cool yeah i'm

2963
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:05,280
pretty comfortable with it yeah so yeah

2964
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,719
well and the thing is daniel if you're

2965
01:54:11,669 --> 01:54:08,560
listening right now

2966
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:11,679
i would say that you know not only

2967
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,480
is there a story of great interest to

2968
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,239
humanity

2969
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:18,400
there's there's a family that's that's

2970
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,080
terrified right now

2971
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:22,800
and like that kind of stuff's got to end

2972
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:25,040
like people have to be able to you know

2973
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:28,159
have curiosity without being threatened

2974
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:30,960
i mean that has to go and the way to do

2975
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,599
it is to yeah it it is

2976
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:36,159
basic as it sounds it's disclosure it's

2977
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:38,239
just bringing it out

2978
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:40,239
you know bringing it out so yeah please

2979
01:54:44,709 --> 01:54:42,719
get a hold of us both again

2980
01:54:46,229 --> 01:54:44,719
and uh hopefully he feels comfortable

2981
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:46,239
enough to actually say who he is and

2982
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:47,599
where he's at

2983
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,400
what's the reaction been to uh as we

2984
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:52,320
head into the next break here what's the

2985
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,119
reaction been so far uh to uh two face

2986
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:59,360
phenomenal yeah it's been phenomenal

2987
01:55:03,589 --> 01:55:00,880
which which was

2988
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:03,599
very rewarding for me

2989
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,400
because

2990
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,040
i i was very admittedly stepping into a

2991
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,520
new area that i just haven't been before

2992
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:11,840
and and i wasn't doing it you know in a

2993
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,320
way where like i know what i know you

2994
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:16,639
know i think i think if the reaction has

2995
01:55:19,589 --> 01:55:17,520
been

2996
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:19,599
so positive because

2997
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:21,840
i'm being very open about the fact that

2998
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:24,080
i don't claim to have all the answers

2999
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:26,320
that this is an ongoing investigation

3000
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,119
that was filming up until october

3001
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:31,360
so it's almost real time the response

3002
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:32,560
has been

3003
01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:34,320
incredible um

3004
01:55:39,109 --> 01:55:36,239
really incredible so

3005
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:39,119
i'm hoping that uh you know like i said

3006
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,239
that that

3007
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,880
um people continue to to get involved

3008
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,159
with this case

3009
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,880
and if they have um you know direct

3010
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,440
information about what's going on

3011
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:52,080
uh you know definitely you know email me

3012
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,520
and let me know but the response has

3013
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:55,520
been wonderful so let's take a break

3014
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,599
right here and when we come back i

3015
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,199
wanted to uh

3016
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,920
get into the fake alien invasion part

3017
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:03,119
and why

3018
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,080
sir

3019
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:06,560
no face and two-face

3020
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:09,520
actually come into play and

3021
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:11,920
your approach to this in the film is

3022
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:13,679
pretty interesting but

3023
01:56:19,510 --> 01:56:17,440
before all of this from uh from skyfall

3024
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:19,520
from daniel have you ever heard of like

3025
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project bluebeam have you ever heard of

3026
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a fake alien invasion did you ever

3027
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consider any of this

3028
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um before this yeah you know you know

3029
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what i had heard

3030
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of i hadn't heard i i had heard a

3031
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project bluebeam

3032
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um but

3033
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i i had heard it was for different stuff

3034
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i didn't hear it was for a fake invasion

3035
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i didn't really learn about that until i

3036
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started researching the stuff about uh

3037
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um

3038
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oh gosh what was the nazi warner von

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braun

3040
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and it was something he predicted

3041
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and i was like oh that's interesting um

3042
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and then uh the project blue beam

3043
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uh the first i heard about it is when

3044
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there was some that japanese city or

3045
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chinese city in the clouds right and

3046
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that's the first i had heard of it

3047
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yeah that was still pretty fascinating

3048
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photographs and i don't care what

3049
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anybody says those are pretty amazing

3050
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it's happened three or four times since

3051
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then too i know i know i know pretty

3052
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amazing uh photography and the fact that

3053
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they are actual you know real

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3160
02:02:30,310 --> 02:02:28,880
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3161
02:02:31,830 --> 02:02:30,320
host jimmy church our guest tonight chad

3162
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caleb we're talking about his new

3163
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documentary sequel

3164
02:02:40,070 --> 02:02:36,080
to sir no face

3165
02:02:42,430 --> 02:02:40,080
it's called two-face the gray the links

3166
02:02:44,310 --> 02:02:42,440
for the documentary are right there

3167
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:44,320
jimmychurchradio.com we've also posted

3168
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them up in twitter and now this is where

3169
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:49,920
i mean

3170
02:02:55,109 --> 02:02:53,280
for me it's easy for me to it's

3171
02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:55,119
the the fork in the road that is

3172
02:02:59,830 --> 02:02:56,560
happening here

3173
02:03:02,229 --> 02:02:59,840
uh with you but for you chad this is

3174
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:02,239
ufology this is ufos this is aliens this

3175
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is e.t this is contact this is all all a

3176
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:07,840
whole new area and there's

3177
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:10,719
uh a part of the documentary for me i

3178
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:12,719
was like okay now now we're starting to

3179
02:03:17,669 --> 02:03:14,800
make a lot of sense here

3180
02:03:19,669 --> 02:03:17,679
and it's it's a tough one for

3181
02:03:20,629 --> 02:03:19,679
for those outside of the community to

3182
02:03:22,390 --> 02:03:20,639
grasp

3183
02:03:24,950 --> 02:03:22,400
a hold of and understand

3184
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:24,960
but it is uh taking

3185
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:28,080
two face into the possibility of another

3186
02:03:32,709 --> 02:03:29,840
area which is

3187
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:32,719
gray yes he's three and a half feet tall

3188
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:35,920
yes but now the possibility

3189
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:36,800
of

3190
02:03:42,629 --> 02:03:39,440
him maybe

3191
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:42,639
being a a bio

3192
02:03:45,030 --> 02:03:44,080
android

3193
02:03:46,629 --> 02:03:45,040
right

3194
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,639
and and

3195
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:48,639
man when i read

3196
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:50,800
that initially

3197
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:53,440
i you know this possibility and i when i

3198
02:03:59,189 --> 02:03:56,400
watched that video well i i i could you

3199
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:59,199
i want to get into how i feel like yeah

3200
02:04:02,390 --> 02:04:01,599
well yeah it blew my mind i'm telling

3201
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:02,400
you

3202
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:07,360
like okay here we go now this starts to

3203
02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:09,280
answer a lot of questions

3204
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:12,320
so let's let's go down this road what

3205
02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:14,239
what happened

3206
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:17,520
well look by the end of daniel's david

3207
02:04:21,430 --> 02:04:19,520
skye falls uh

3208
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,440
you know explanation

3209
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:23,280
uh the one thing that i

3210
02:04:26,950 --> 02:04:24,639
the bridge i couldn't cross i was like

3211
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:26,960
okay this is all a fascinating story but

3212
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:29,040
where's the australian connection like

3213
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:31,360
what you know this is a i thought was

3214
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:32,320
about

3215
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:35,119
you know uh two-face or sir no face

3216
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:36,159
and

3217
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:36,960
so

3218
02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:43,119
things it's almost like he bread crumbs

3219
02:04:46,709 --> 02:04:44,560
it knowing that i won't believe it

3220
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:46,719
unless i find it myself type of stuff

3221
02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:48,400
right and uh

3222
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,560
so i you know i started digging the most

3223
02:04:55,030 --> 02:04:53,280
obvious thing that i found in australia

3224
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:55,040
which dates way back and has had

3225
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:56,639
multiple purposes

3226
02:05:01,189 --> 02:04:57,599
um

3227
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:01,199
is the pine gap at alice springs

3228
02:05:05,750 --> 02:05:03,760
which was a initially it was labeled a

3229
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:05,760
joint space research facility between

3230
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,119
the cia

3231
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:09,599
and the the australian government

3232
02:05:13,750 --> 02:05:10,880
and

3233
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:13,760
so i'm like okay but no one really knows

3234
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:16,239
what it does besides the defense which

3235
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:18,400
is a very vague term

3236
02:05:23,350 --> 02:05:21,199
so i'm like but you know uh

3237
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:23,360
we do know that there's it's secret and

3238
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:24,719
there's all kinds of stuff the space

3239
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,239
program to go but that doesn't really

3240
02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:27,920
tell me anything so i was like okay let

3241
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:30,080
me keep digging keep digging

3242
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:33,119
and i'm basically just watching all

3243
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,189
ufo seminars and just all kinds of stuff

3244
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:41,520
in the area and it's super late at night

3245
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:44,159
i mean it's probably 3 34 am i'm half

3246
02:05:46,390 --> 02:05:45,360
asleep

3247
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:46,400
and

3248
02:05:52,629 --> 02:05:50,480
one program in that just picks another

3249
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:52,639
one to start running right and i ended

3250
02:05:56,709 --> 02:05:54,639
up running this uh

3251
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:56,719
it was a public lecture

3252
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:59,440
uh by stephen grier

3253
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:01,040
and

3254
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:04,639
like what did i just hear

3255
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:07,599
and he starts talking about how

3256
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:09,119
reportedly

3257
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:11,040
and he's speaking about this like it is

3258
02:06:15,830 --> 02:06:13,360
fact he knows it he's spoken to the

3259
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:15,840
physicist he was a part of the program

3260
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:18,000
supposedly they are making

3261
02:06:23,189 --> 02:06:20,880
little grays that are androids that are

3262
02:06:25,270 --> 02:06:23,199
yeah bio nano

3263
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:25,280
technology which is tissue on the

3264
02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:27,599
outside robotic on the inside

3265
02:06:31,589 --> 02:06:28,840
grays

3266
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,599
in the pine gap

3267
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:32,960
to the degree that these things are

3268
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:34,960
coming off

3269
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,079
i think he says yeah he says they're

3270
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:38,320
coming out conveyor belts like sausages

3271
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:40,159
right yeah right that's what he says

3272
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:42,719
right and i am like what

3273
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:44,400
so then i start working backwards and

3274
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:45,679
i'm like

3275
02:06:50,870 --> 02:06:48,800
okay that was a thing that started like

3276
02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:50,880
connecting things i'm like all right so

3277
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:53,520
if there is going to be

3278
02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:57,520
a false flag fake alien invasion

3279
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:00,639
to gain worldwide support

3280
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:02,880
to to fight

3281
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:04,159
you know and to go to war with another

3282
02:07:08,149 --> 02:07:05,760
species which by the way presidents have

3283
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:08,159
been talking about since reagan and and

3284
02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:09,520
afterwards

3285
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:10,560
um

3286
02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:12,560
then you would have to do more

3287
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:15,599
than cast some images in the sky right

3288
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:17,599
like people would have to see

3289
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:19,199
these creatures

3290
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:21,679
so then i started going okay well pine

3291
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:24,880
gaps is an ear shot away

3292
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:28,800
from this island in the middle of sydney

3293
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:30,639
you know it would make total sense that

3294
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:32,880
before you went this route

3295
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:34,560
you would you would want to know how

3296
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:35,920
people react to these things and how

3297
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:37,840
these things react to people

3298
02:07:42,310 --> 02:07:40,400
and then i started going oh my god were

3299
02:07:47,990 --> 02:07:42,320
they in fact

3300
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:48,000
and his team interacting with this

3301
02:07:51,350 --> 02:07:50,079
thing that they put out there

3302
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,360
because

3303
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:53,280
that would make sense in the there's

3304
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:55,280
connective tissue here in the sense that

3305
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,880
that would explain the two-year thing

3306
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:58,960
they were willing to let them go forever

3307
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:01,760
right until i showed up

3308
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:03,920
you know and started filming stuff and

3309
02:08:07,270 --> 02:08:05,679
and they're showing footage and all this

3310
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:07,280
stuff and they shut it down

3311
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:08,800
it would make sense that they were like

3312
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:11,199
trying to offer them all the money in

3313
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:13,280
the world and buy all their stuff and do

3314
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:15,119
all this

3315
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:16,320
you know

3316
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:18,079
right away to ensure that they went

3317
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:19,599
there

3318
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:22,960
it also gave them a very plausible story

3319
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:24,719
if they went public with it just to make

3320
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:26,480
fun of them oh they're ghost hunters

3321
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:28,560
what do they know they're crazy

3322
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:30,400
you know um but but this would give them

3323
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,719
a real opportunity to see

3324
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:34,719
how this thing interacts with people

3325
02:08:40,950 --> 02:08:38,239
and i was just like no freaking way man

3326
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:40,960
and so you know i initially went back to

3327
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:43,119
the footage and i was like let me go

3328
02:08:47,669 --> 02:08:45,119
back to this or no facebook you just go

3329
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:47,679
frame by frame by frame i'm gonna

3330
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,360
actually compared it to uh the footage

3331
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:53,360
that was captured uh

3332
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:56,000
uh robert lear uh who captured the

3333
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:58,400
turkish footage right uh which which is

3334
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:01,520
as astonishing footage of this ufo which

3335
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,960
pretty much see grays at the wheel and

3336
02:09:09,109 --> 02:09:06,800
so i captured one of the frames the best

3337
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:09,119
frame that you can clearly see that and

3338
02:09:13,109 --> 02:09:11,360
i start going frame by frame in the

3339
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:13,119
sernoface footage

3340
02:09:17,030 --> 02:09:14,960
and you get a couple frames past the

3341
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:17,040
frame we usually stopped on

3342
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:19,119
because it looked like a face you know

3343
02:09:24,470 --> 02:09:20,880
looking towards the camera

3344
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:24,480
and man you go a couple frames deeper

3345
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:25,599
and

3346
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:28,800
it looks like a gray i mean it is like

3347
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:31,119
oh my god it's just one of those like 20

3348
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:33,840
20 things in hindsight you can go how

3349
02:09:38,229 --> 02:09:36,400
did i miss this well you you missed it

3350
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:38,239
because you weren't looking

3351
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:40,719
like a and you know sometimes the best

3352
02:09:44,390 --> 02:09:43,119
place to hide things is you know out in

3353
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:44,400
the open

3354
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:47,199
you know like right there um and it's

3355
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:49,679
just astonishing to me because we when i

3356
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:52,560
started thinking about this we know

3357
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:53,520
that

3358
02:10:01,750 --> 02:09:58,400
doing false flags forever whether it was

3359
02:10:03,510 --> 02:10:01,760
selling you know wwmds in iraq that

3360
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:03,520
don't exist to get the public support to

3361
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:05,440
go to war we're talking about the same

3362
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:06,960
type of thing here

3363
02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:09,520
you know if there's going to be a real

3364
02:10:13,669 --> 02:10:11,040
alien invasion

3365
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,679
then they're going to sell a fake one

3366
02:10:17,350 --> 02:10:16,239
to get the world support to go to war

3367
02:10:19,510 --> 02:10:17,360
well and then

3368
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:19,520
say they uh what

3369
02:10:24,390 --> 02:10:22,000
you know david skyfall lays out

3370
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:24,400
uh they being

3371
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:27,280
the industrial military complex uh

3372
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,440
the oil reserve companies i mean the the

3373
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:31,679
true power in the world that presidents

3374
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:32,960
have been warning about the industrial

3375
02:10:36,470 --> 02:10:34,639
military complex

3376
02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:36,480
i mean who was it eisenhower or truman

3377
02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:38,960
or someone they came out and said it yes

3378
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:41,840
eisenhower in his famous speech and yeah

3379
02:10:44,790 --> 02:10:42,960
i have

3380
02:10:48,470 --> 02:10:44,800
said it beware the industrial military

3381
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:48,480
complex yep i brought up years ago

3382
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,440
um

3383
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:51,440
when we're talking about bluebeam and

3384
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:54,480
holographic images and giant spacecraft

3385
02:10:57,750 --> 02:10:56,639
and in the independence day type of

3386
02:11:00,390 --> 02:10:57,760
event

3387
02:11:02,149 --> 02:11:00,400
that that is going to fly for only so

3388
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:02,159
long because people are going to start

3389
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,159
shooting at it

3390
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:06,960
you know there are countries around this

3391
02:11:10,069 --> 02:11:08,079
planet

3392
02:11:11,430 --> 02:11:10,079
maybe not the united states and

3393
02:11:14,870 --> 02:11:11,440
especially if the united states is the

3394
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:14,880
one that's perpetrating this hoax but uh

3395
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:16,800
there would be uh countries out there

3396
02:11:20,950 --> 02:11:19,280
shooting missiles right and when the

3397
02:11:23,430 --> 02:11:20,960
missiles start

3398
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:23,440
you know flying through the holographic

3399
02:11:27,189 --> 02:11:25,679
image and landing somewhere else

3400
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:27,199
then the your

3401
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:29,280
the it's oh it's only going to last so

3402
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:30,079
long

3403
02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:31,840
probably minutes

3404
02:11:37,109 --> 02:11:34,560
right it's not going to be uh this huge

3405
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:37,119
drawn out situation you would have at

3406
02:11:41,189 --> 02:11:39,599
some point you got to have the wmd you

3407
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:41,199
actually have to have it

3408
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:43,599
right you know you've got anything like

3409
02:11:46,709 --> 02:11:45,119
with this at some point you got to have

3410
02:11:48,629 --> 02:11:46,719
the alien you got to have the boots on

3411
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:48,639
the ground you got to have something

3412
02:11:54,870 --> 02:11:52,239
physical and that is something that when

3413
02:11:57,669 --> 02:11:54,880
you brought this up in in two-face i

3414
02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:57,679
just sat back and went now we're on to

3415
02:12:04,069 --> 02:12:00,239
something here yep now we're getting

3416
02:12:07,030 --> 02:12:04,079
close very interesting concept now um uh

3417
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:07,040
next question do you think

3418
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:11,280
that uh two-face whoever he was do you

3419
02:12:17,109 --> 02:12:13,440
think that he was alone

3420
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:17,119
have you analyzed all the other footage

3421
02:12:20,550 --> 02:12:18,560
well the thing is

3422
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:20,560
craig has all the other footage and i

3423
02:12:24,310 --> 02:12:22,400
know that he's going back through it

3424
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:24,320
because a lot of this really opened his

3425
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:25,760
mind up too

3426
02:12:30,550 --> 02:12:27,840
and especially now that he's

3427
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:30,560
having these you know very

3428
02:12:35,270 --> 02:12:32,000
insane

3429
02:12:37,589 --> 02:12:35,280
um experiences that are threatening and

3430
02:12:39,109 --> 02:12:37,599
see you know you know when you said that

3431
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:39,119
connection i felt the same way i was

3432
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:41,679
like now we're getting somewhere

3433
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:43,840
but it also frightened me

3434
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:46,719
more for craig than anybody else because

3435
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:49,119
that is something that i could see look

3436
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:51,520
if the word got out that this was going

3437
02:12:53,910 --> 02:12:52,639
down

3438
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:53,920
and that

3439
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:54,639
uh

3440
02:12:59,990 --> 02:12:56,400
our government or governments were going

3441
02:13:01,990 --> 02:13:00,000
to start placing bio-nano creatures

3442
02:13:05,270 --> 02:13:02,000
in the world to set up what would be

3443
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:05,280
like like that's news

3444
02:13:09,750 --> 02:13:07,760
we're threatening someone and taking p

3445
02:13:11,189 --> 02:13:09,760
someone out over you know like that's if

3446
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:11,199
that's real

3447
02:13:14,790 --> 02:13:12,079
that's

3448
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:14,800
serious serious information

3449
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:15,679
and

3450
02:13:20,470 --> 02:13:17,840
that's when i started getting

3451
02:13:22,629 --> 02:13:20,480
really nervous uh about

3452
02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:22,639
what's been going on uh specifically for

3453
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,000
him that's when i got into rush to put

3454
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,000
this out but i do know that obviously

3455
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:28,239
this is shook craig up in a big way

3456
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:30,400
which i want to urge everybody

3457
02:13:36,470 --> 02:13:32,960
definitely feel free to reach out to him

3458
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:36,480
on instagram and on facebook uh it's

3459
02:13:41,069 --> 02:13:38,960
wspr craig on instagram and on facebook

3460
02:13:44,709 --> 02:13:41,079
just search craig powell

3461
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:44,719
p-o-w-e-l-l at p-o-w-e-l-l and you know

3462
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,480
he's there and he's very

3463
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:48,480
open to answer questions and i really

3464
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:50,719
urge that people reach out to him

3465
02:13:56,229 --> 02:13:53,040
after his voice on this as well

3466
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:56,239
but he's definitely going over footage

3467
02:14:00,310 --> 02:13:57,679
and looking i mean this thing has

3468
02:14:01,510 --> 02:14:00,320
definitely taken a hold of their life

3469
02:14:02,629 --> 02:14:01,520
and uh

3470
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,639
it's just

3471
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:04,719
the most fat i mean and like i said in

3472
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:06,960
25 years of doing this man

3473
02:14:11,109 --> 02:14:08,560
there is not a single case that i've

3474
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:11,119
come across that is this fascinating and

3475
02:14:15,270 --> 02:14:12,800
has so many

3476
02:14:18,149 --> 02:14:15,280
like i keep expecting to find something

3477
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:18,159
to just disprove all this stuff

3478
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:20,880
and i'm just not finding it jimmy

3479
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:22,960
it's it's just the opposite

3480
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,719
it's finding more and more things that

3481
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,400
give this legs

3482
02:14:31,510 --> 02:14:28,719
and give it a reality to it

3483
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:31,520
uh that just blows my mind it was my

3484
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:34,159
mind i can only imagine how many

3485
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:35,360
uh

3486
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:39,119
cameras with footage in it that has been

3487
02:14:42,470 --> 02:14:40,719
viewed but it's hours and hours and

3488
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:42,480
hours and hours and hours where you have

3489
02:14:46,709 --> 02:14:45,280
to sit and painstakingly until your eyes

3490
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:46,719
are red

3491
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:49,360
look at all of this and just like sir no

3492
02:14:53,750 --> 02:14:51,840
face uh two-face was missed the first

3493
02:14:54,709 --> 02:14:53,760
time around right and you go back and

3494
02:14:58,069 --> 02:14:54,719
catch it

3495
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:58,079
and if there is a second

3496
02:15:02,149 --> 02:14:58,880
uh

3497
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,159
piece or a third in here it's gonna

3498
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:04,800
it's really gonna cause some alarm

3499
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:07,679
out big time big time and and again i

3500
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:08,719
think

3501
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:13,119
lot you know i said craig i said you

3502
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:14,719
know as well as i do that when it comes

3503
02:15:18,629 --> 02:15:16,320
to review and footage

3504
02:15:20,709 --> 02:15:18,639
nobody is completely militant about it i

3505
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:20,719
mean i go craig you could have

3506
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:23,440
yawned if you were to yawned

3507
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:25,760
at the time that no phase peeped down

3508
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:27,040
the corner you'd have missed it that's

3509
02:15:28,870 --> 02:15:27,840
right

3510
02:15:30,550 --> 02:15:28,880
you know what i mean you could have got

3511
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:30,560
a drink of water and you'd have missed

3512
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:31,360
it

3513
02:15:34,870 --> 02:15:33,599
you know so you're right how much stuff

3514
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:34,880
is on there

3515
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:37,360
um because if the the one thing about

3516
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:39,360
all the evidence clips that are you know

3517
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:40,800
in sir no face

3518
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:43,280
um and are all over the place and in two

3519
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:44,960
phase is

3520
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,920
it is just astonishing footage like when

3521
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:49,520
you want to talk about reactions and the

3522
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:51,040
lights are going off and you can hear

3523
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:53,360
the people in the room and their voices

3524
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:55,520
and their expressions and just

3525
02:16:00,870 --> 02:15:58,159
i mean people are freaking out

3526
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:00,880
you know and and the clear thing about

3527
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:02,880
and this would keep going back too every

3528
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:05,040
time i think something's too insane i'm

3529
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:07,679
like that's there's no way that's crazy

3530
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:10,719
i go back to the fact that

3531
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:12,239
sternocleidosis isn't crazy that's on

3532
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:14,320
film like i know that's real

3533
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:16,480
i know that is not

3534
02:16:21,669 --> 02:16:18,719
craig it is not a child

3535
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:21,679
it is not a human being i know that is

3536
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:22,880
real

3537
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:25,760
so nothing is more crazy than that

3538
02:16:29,510 --> 02:16:27,440
you know so anything else that i come

3539
02:16:31,430 --> 02:16:29,520
across i'm i mean that's the one thing

3540
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:31,440
that i'm really kind of learning in this

3541
02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:33,439
ufology side

3542
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:34,639
is

3543
02:16:38,309 --> 02:16:37,040
man i mean every time you think

3544
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:38,319
something

3545
02:16:43,030 --> 02:16:41,840
is too far out there you start seeing

3546
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:43,040
you know i just want to sing the other

3547
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:45,200
night just so i'm fascinated about

3548
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:47,359
the rings of saturn or some spaceship

3549
02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:48,960
that's making saturn's rings or

3550
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:50,319
something it was the craziest thing i've

3551
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:51,519
ever heard

3552
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:53,280
and then then i was just like whoa but

3553
02:16:57,190 --> 02:16:54,639
then i started seeing these photos i'm

3554
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:57,200
just going what am i looking at you know

3555
02:17:01,750 --> 02:16:58,960
right right

3556
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:01,760
it's just fascinating stuff man there's

3557
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:04,240
a there's another element to this though

3558
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:07,359
is you know this show uh a little bit

3559
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:09,200
different from coast

3560
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:11,200
um in that coast

3561
02:17:15,910 --> 02:17:13,599
you know it's not 600 some you know plus

3562
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:15,920
stations here in the united states but

3563
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:18,160
that's a that's a united states uh

3564
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:20,479
phenomenon coast to coast

3565
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:23,120
fade to black is worldwide and our

3566
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,200
audiences in

3567
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:28,880
in canada and the uk and and over across

3568
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:32,000
europe is is huge but our audience in

3569
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:35,599
australia is ginormous we have a huge

3570
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,439
australian audience and they're

3571
02:17:42,150 --> 02:17:39,439
listening right now and

3572
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:42,160
their reaction to what we are saying

3573
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:45,519
okay you know okay all right but they

3574
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:47,280
they have to deal with the issues of

3575
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:49,599
pine gap just like we deal with the

3576
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:53,040
issues of area 51. right and right you

3577
02:17:57,910 --> 02:17:54,960
know pine gap is right there it's very

3578
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:57,920
public it's well it's not accessible you

3579
02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:00,240
know australia first off is ginormous

3580
02:18:03,990 --> 02:18:02,479
and right in the uh in the middle of the

3581
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,000
country seemingly in the middle of

3582
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:06,399
nowhere is pine gap and it's not easy to

3583
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:07,599
get to

3584
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:10,240
and and it's isolated but the mystery of

3585
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:12,960
pine gap is something that like i said

3586
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:15,679
they deal with on on a daily basis and

3587
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:18,240
then this aspect comes in we've got this

3588
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:19,760
amazing footage

3589
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:22,399
of uh of two face or sir no face

3590
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:24,399
cockatoo island right there this is in

3591
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:25,920
their backyard

3592
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:28,399
and suggesting all of this is something

3593
02:18:31,349 --> 02:18:30,080
that the australian audience is going to

3594
02:18:32,709 --> 02:18:31,359
go back they're going to listen to this

3595
02:18:34,070 --> 02:18:32,719
and

3596
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:34,080
they're going to be talking about it

3597
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:36,479
it's now out in the public in australia

3598
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:38,160
because of this show and what you are

3599
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:40,479
talking about well that's spectacular

3600
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:42,880
and that was my goal in in getting this

3601
02:18:47,030 --> 02:18:44,719
out as fast as possible and to the

3602
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:47,040
australian audience that's listening

3603
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:49,840
um as jimmy said the link is on

3604
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:52,719
your your web page uh it's on vimeo on

3605
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:55,359
demand if you haven't seen us or no face

3606
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:57,519
uh you could also watch that on vimeo on

3607
02:19:02,629 --> 02:18:59,920
demand which is vimeo.com forward slash

3608
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:02,639
on demand forward slash sir no face the

3609
02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:05,359
australian audience please

3610
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:06,399
watch this

3611
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:07,200
and

3612
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:09,840
weigh in definitely weigh in

3613
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,319
because i know as much research if i've

3614
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:15,040
i as i've done as much research as craig

3615
02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:17,599
has done i'm just a firm believer in

3616
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:20,559
crowdsourcing information and sharing it

3617
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:22,240
and getting to the bottom of this

3618
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:23,760
there's a lot we have figured out

3619
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:26,080
there's even more that we don't

3620
02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:27,760
and we definitely

3621
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:29,280
you know this is an ongoing

3622
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:32,080
investigation you know so

3623
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:34,880
i'm fascinated by all of it i do have a

3624
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:36,960
real concern for for craig and his

3625
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:38,000
family

3626
02:19:41,349 --> 02:19:40,000
um and and i got to speak to their

3627
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:41,359
bravery i mean even the other night i

3628
02:19:44,230 --> 02:19:42,639
was the last time i spoke to him i was

3629
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:44,240
just like guys

3630
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:46,960
we can like if we we can stop this like

3631
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:48,960
if you guys are

3632
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:50,000
really

3633
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:52,080
you know that terrified that you know

3634
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:54,479
someone can you know some real bad stuff

3635
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:55,920
can happen

3636
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:57,359
then we you know

3637
02:20:02,630 --> 02:20:00,560
you let me know you know and

3638
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:02,640
craig and nikki i mean their their

3639
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,200
stance is just that of course every bone

3640
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:06,720
in your body just wants to walk away

3641
02:20:10,469 --> 02:20:08,319
from potential harm

3642
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:10,479
but at the same time it's like

3643
02:20:14,309 --> 02:20:12,800
it's it's once the toothpaste is out you

3644
02:20:16,710 --> 02:20:14,319
can't put it back in

3645
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:16,720
you know what i mean it doesn't go away

3646
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:18,080
it's out

3647
02:20:23,270 --> 02:20:20,399
so it's never going to go away

3648
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:23,280
so the commitment needs to be just truth

3649
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:25,200
just to find out what is going on and

3650
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:26,720
there's too many weird things that are

3651
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:27,680
happening

3652
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:29,280
that coincide

3653
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:31,200
with with this story and the story of

3654
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:33,200
skyfall if you do you brought the elon

3655
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:35,280
musk that was the first thing

3656
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:37,439
i thought when i saw that is man this is

3657
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:39,600
exactly what skyfall is talking about

3658
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:42,160
are you still being uh followed here in

3659
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:44,240
los angeles

3660
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:47,520
well see that stopped the second

3661
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,240
summit on the phone

3662
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:52,720
the next time drive them

3663
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:54,880
to the police station then hop out but

3664
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,560
but what's funny is the following day

3665
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:00,080
after he said that

3666
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:01,680
is when the phone stuff started

3667
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:04,960
happening and that's still going on

3668
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:06,560
we're gonna

3669
02:21:14,630 --> 02:21:12,399
about the phone stuff um

3670
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:14,640
specifically so we'll deal with that in

3671
02:21:18,309 --> 02:21:16,399
a second but

3672
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:18,319
when it comes to

3673
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:19,280
uh

3674
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,600
the this one for me is the most

3675
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,600
fascinating part about all of this

3676
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,439
you know when you're doing ghost hunting

3677
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:27,439
and you're doing paranormal stuff and

3678
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:29,520
you're out there american ghost hunters

3679
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:31,040
and paranormal state you know you're out

3680
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:32,560
there doing all that stuff

3681
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,520
um

3682
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:35,520
you're not your phones aren't tapped

3683
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:37,680
your cars aren't being followed your

3684
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:40,479
computers aren't miss uh you know uh

3685
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,600
goofing up

3686
02:21:46,389 --> 02:21:44,000
none of that stuff happens but is the

3687
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:46,399
second you dip your toe into the ufo

3688
02:21:50,389 --> 02:21:49,439
world craziness starts and it makes you

3689
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:50,399
wonder

3690
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,000
why is it if if ufos don't exist right

3691
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:56,479
if none of this is real then why are you

3692
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:58,160
so concerned about it why is this

3693
02:22:02,070 --> 02:22:00,000
craziness going down in my life it

3694
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:02,080
doesn't make sense it's like it's like a

3695
02:22:06,550 --> 02:22:04,319
real-time paradox

3696
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:06,560
right well the thing i used to say i've

3697
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:08,880
been really fortunate on the ufo side to

3698
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:09,680
have

3699
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:11,920
a great audience that's brought me

3700
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:13,280
around the world to speak at

3701
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:14,800
universities and all kinds of stuff and

3702
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:16,240
i used to always say to people first

3703
02:22:19,910 --> 02:22:17,840
question be like aren't you scary when

3704
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,920
you go into a haunted house and or on a

3705
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:21,680
location my answer is always the same

3706
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:23,280
i'm not scared of the dead i'm scared of

3707
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:24,640
the living

3708
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:27,439
i mean like you know the the dead ain't

3709
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,359
gonna hurt me man you know that but the

3710
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,359
living people are weird they have crazy

3711
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:35,200
abilities and you know one thing that's

3712
02:22:38,469 --> 02:22:37,120
demonstrated very well in toothpaste the

3713
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:38,479
gray is

3714
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:40,960
man human beings and mankind

3715
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:43,439
we're monsters i mean we are monsters to

3716
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:45,439
our planet to each other

3717
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:48,080
i mean it it's it's crazy well that's

3718
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:49,600
where he is in that capacity that's

3719
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:51,760
where you and i part ways

3720
02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:55,520
i can go out i have no issues ufo lands

3721
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:57,439
hey jimmy you want to go for a ride i'm

3722
02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:59,359
on the ship and i'm

3723
02:23:03,590 --> 02:23:01,920
taking off i have no issues with men in

3724
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:03,600
black you know what i got issues with i

3725
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:06,479
got issues with waverly i got issues

3726
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:07,520
with

3727
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:09,840
alta loma hospital you think i'm going

3728
02:23:14,150 --> 02:23:12,080
in there after dark

3729
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,160
in the complete blackness walking down

3730
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,479
one of those hallways

3731
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:18,800
it ain't happening

3732
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,640
i think i just grew up with it it's just

3733
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,880
my roller coaster you know like

3734
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:23,840
uh

3735
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:26,720
yeah no i'm not i get it you know i'm

3736
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:28,080
not spending the night in the lizzie

3737
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:29,359
borden house

3738
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:30,479
you know

3739
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:33,200
it ain't happening man i'm serious dude

3740
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:36,160
i've been being very very very serious

3741
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:36,960
here

3742
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,600
walk up to waverly and you just look at

3743
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:43,920
it from the outside that's terrifying

3744
02:23:48,710 --> 02:23:47,359
and my very soul is saying you're not

3745
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:48,720
going in there

3746
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:51,200
you know i'll send all of you in and you

3747
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:53,359
guys tell me about it later but i'm not

3748
02:23:58,150 --> 02:23:56,080
going to die no i'm not going in no no i

3749
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:58,160
am not man i am yeah i think that

3750
02:24:03,349 --> 02:24:00,000
stuff's startling but i guess it's not

3751
02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:03,359
real fear to me i i think i i definitely

3752
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:06,160
you know get jumpy like anybody else but

3753
02:24:10,230 --> 02:24:08,720
i just don't have real fear when

3754
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:10,240
when i look in my rear-view mirror in

3755
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:12,319
the same cars or everywhere i go for a

3756
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:13,200
week

3757
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:14,880
and i don't know who it is

3758
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:17,840
when my email is clearly getting hacked

3759
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:20,640
uh when my phone calls are clearly being

3760
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:22,080
monitored

3761
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:24,479
that's when i start getting scared

3762
02:24:28,950 --> 02:24:25,840
that's when i started getting freaked

3763
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:28,960
out and manny you're right it never

3764
02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:31,120
happened ever

3765
02:24:34,950 --> 02:24:32,880
until we started going down this road

3766
02:24:37,429 --> 02:24:34,960
man i remember uh we're gonna head

3767
02:24:39,670 --> 02:24:37,439
towards a break but back when and my

3768
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:39,680
chair keeps lowering and everybody's

3769
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:42,399
watching me on camera uh raise my chair

3770
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:43,760
i gotta do it again man it just

3771
02:24:48,630 --> 02:24:45,680
constantly keeps

3772
02:24:53,349 --> 02:24:48,640
ah man it's frustrating anyway uh years

3773
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:53,359
ago let's go back to 2008

3774
02:24:59,750 --> 02:24:56,640
and all of the paranormal shows are

3775
02:25:02,630 --> 02:24:59,760
are on on on cable

3776
02:25:03,590 --> 02:25:02,640
and i'm i'm falling asleep on my couch

3777
02:25:05,429 --> 02:25:03,600
to

3778
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:05,439
one of these shows it doesn't matter and

3779
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:08,399
it's you know some marathon and i swear

3780
02:25:13,990 --> 02:25:11,680
i had the craziest nightmare dreams man

3781
02:25:15,750 --> 02:25:14,000
i'm being chased by ghosts and and

3782
02:25:17,990 --> 02:25:15,760
wolves i'm getting scratched i'm

3783
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:18,000
climbing trees i'm freaking out i'm

3784
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:21,439
waking up i'm sweating and i'm like man

3785
02:25:25,429 --> 02:25:23,040
i gotta go back to sleep and get back

3786
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:25,439
into this nightmare this is awesome

3787
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:27,520
and and i'm into it right

3788
02:25:33,030 --> 02:25:31,359
but um ufo shows don't do that to me

3789
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:33,040
they don't really they don't that

3790
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:34,800
paranormal you know it's weird i'll say

3791
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:36,840
this i'm not necessarily

3792
02:25:43,670 --> 02:25:41,760
afraid of the aliens or the ufos it's

3793
02:25:46,150 --> 02:25:43,680
it's it's the

3794
02:25:47,990 --> 02:25:46,160
the fact that greer's two partners got

3795
02:25:50,070 --> 02:25:48,000
cancer and he simultaneously didn't

3796
02:25:52,630 --> 02:25:50,080
they're gone now right it's the fact of

3797
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:52,640
this ufo this young ufo guy you probably

3798
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:54,479
know his name i was reading about he had

3799
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:56,640
some news and they find him dead with

3800
02:26:02,150 --> 02:25:58,560
black fluid coming out yeah yeah that's

3801
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:02,160
a famous case you know dr carla turner

3802
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:05,120
you know yeah like that is that that's

3803
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:07,359
the stuff that scares me something tells

3804
02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:10,000
me that if the aliens can get here and

3805
02:26:12,389 --> 02:26:11,200
they have that kind of technology

3806
02:26:14,710 --> 02:26:12,399
something tells me if they had some kind

3807
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:14,720
of broad awakening right and they're

3808
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,280
they're probably not the thing to fear

3809
02:26:20,710 --> 02:26:19,120
the thing the fear is probably

3810
02:26:23,510 --> 02:26:20,720
you know the animals on this planet that

3811
02:26:25,270 --> 02:26:23,520
let off 2 000 nukes

3812
02:26:26,230 --> 02:26:25,280
you know that's probably the thing to

3813
02:26:28,230 --> 02:26:26,240
fear

3814
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:28,240
and uh so

3815
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:31,439
that that's more my concern is

3816
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:32,880
you know the

3817
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:34,720
power whether they say absolute power

3818
02:26:39,670 --> 02:26:37,040
corrupts absolutely it's true yes it is

3819
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:39,680
it's very true it's very true right well

3820
02:26:45,270 --> 02:26:42,160
that that's what i i fear uh

3821
02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:45,280
a few years ago rita and i uh we get

3822
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,800
home we're in bed

3823
02:26:50,950 --> 02:26:48,880
and we turn on the tv we've got some

3824
02:26:53,030 --> 02:26:50,960
food and stuff and uh

3825
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:53,040
at the foot of our bed at the other end

3826
02:26:58,389 --> 02:26:56,080
of the room is is a master bathroom and

3827
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:58,399
in that master bath area there's a

3828
02:27:03,110 --> 02:27:00,399
walk-in closet to the right and there's

3829
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:03,120
the the sinks and stuff and but there's

3830
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:04,800
a separate

3831
02:27:08,790 --> 02:27:07,359
room with a door that's got the toilet

3832
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:08,800
in it i don't know what you call it but

3833
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:10,080
it's like a bathroom inside of a

3834
02:27:15,349 --> 02:27:12,479
bathroom right there's a door yeah and

3835
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:15,359
but in there and we keep that door shut

3836
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:18,479
um for a couple of reasons but uh

3837
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,920
because we keep the window on the

3838
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outside of it open so we keep the door

3839
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closed anyway

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um but this the toilet seat in there is

3841
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like sticky it doesn't move right so in

3842
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:34,479
other words if you open lift the lid or

3843
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close the lid you have to do it yourself

3844
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:38,800
if you did it halfway and let it go the

3845
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lid would

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you know be halfway right you have to

3847
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right you know what i mean it's really

3848
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really sticky it's tight so anyway

3849
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um

3850
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so the lid on that toilet stays open

3851
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it's not like other homes where

3852
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or other bathrooms in our house all the

3853
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lids are closed but in that one the

3854
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thing is sticky so it just stays open

3855
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right so anyway rita and i are sitting

3856
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in bed and i swear to you chad

3857
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that thing goes

3858
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poof

3859
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and falls down

3860
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and and and rita and i knew you know and

3861
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she's looking at it she goes so

3862
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so king church

3863
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you gonna go check that out

3864
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[Laughter]

3865
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i was like no

3866
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[Laughter]

3867
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:26,160
i don't want to go in there open up that

3868
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:28,960
door and see that lid down i'm not no

3869
02:28:33,349 --> 02:28:30,880
i'm not no oh man

3870
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well you know we i have some places i

3871
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could take you that would

3872
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:37,040
blow your mind

3873
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:39,200
man man well you know what

3874
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it'll be blown from the outside i'm not

3875
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gonna go inside let's take a break right

3876
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here chad let's come back because when

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we come back after this break one of the

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coolest parts and there's some amazing

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amazing footage and stuff that is in

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two-face the documentary but for me

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it was the phone calls and those

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recordings so we will be back after this

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short break we're going to talk about

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that it's very very compelling i'm your

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welcome back fade to black i'm neil

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jimmy church i guess tonight jack caleb

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02:34:01,030 --> 02:33:58,800
talking about his new documentary a

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sequel to sir no face

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it's called two face the gray

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the links to it are right there at

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chad kalec uh in his bio the links are

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there we've also got him up in twitter

3983
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:15,920
and another part of the documentary now

3984
02:34:21,270 --> 02:34:19,600
uh is is the the phone conversations and

3985
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:21,280
we're going to talk about that in just a

3986
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:22,240
second

3987
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um i'll say this chad if um i'm having a

3988
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conversation

3989
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:30,240
on my cell phone with somebody out there

3990
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um and i'm talking about

3991
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my dogs i can talk for three hours

3992
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:37,600
nothing happens

3993
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:40,000
i'm talking with somebody out there and

3994
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we get into ufos

3995
02:34:46,950 --> 02:34:44,399
and and strange stuff

3996
02:34:49,990 --> 02:34:46,960
my phone starts acting funny and we

3997
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:50,000
laugh about it but it it happens every

3998
02:34:56,630 --> 02:34:54,000
single day every single day on this on

3999
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:56,640
this broadcast and by the way a couple

4000
02:35:00,950 --> 02:34:58,160
of times during this broadcast your

4001
02:35:02,870 --> 02:35:00,960
phone got funky at a couple of uh key

4002
02:35:04,710 --> 02:35:02,880
moments and i found that interesting i

4003
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:04,720
didn't want to say anything i don't know

4004
02:35:07,990 --> 02:35:06,399
if you were hearing it but but it was

4005
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:08,000
out there and i know

4006
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:11,200
uh the uh posts and i'm gonna get email

4007
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,640
are going to comment about those

4008
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:15,200
sections of the broadcast tonight and

4009
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:17,040
you're talking to us on a landline

4010
02:35:22,469 --> 02:35:20,080
tonight not on the cell phone and and so

4011
02:35:25,429 --> 02:35:22,479
why would that interference occur on a

4012
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:25,439
landline again interesting so here we

4013
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:28,160
are and so when people uh

4014
02:35:33,510 --> 02:35:30,080
guest and so forth

4015
02:35:36,870 --> 02:35:33,520
talk about their phone interference um

4016
02:35:38,710 --> 02:35:36,880
okay it's great i understand it but it's

4017
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,720
another thing when you talk about it and

4018
02:35:44,469 --> 02:35:41,439
you've got the calls recorded and that's

4019
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:44,479
what you did here in in two-face the

4020
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:45,439
gray

4021
02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:48,080
you have the actual phone calls and you

4022
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,280
present them

4023
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:51,520
um how many of these phone calls like

4024
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:53,359
this happened

4025
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:57,040
oh oh gosh between thomas justin my

4026
02:36:02,790 --> 02:35:59,520
producer and craig

4027
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:02,800
a hundred a hundred i yeah i mean like

4028
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:04,640
it and the thing is it was exactly what

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you'd say it was when we would get into

4030
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some heavy you know thing about this

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case

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um and it the weird thing was and you

4033
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see this

4034
02:36:19,349 --> 02:36:16,960
and craig's response was i when we're

4035
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talking one of those calls is the second

4036
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:22,319
we would talk about noticing it it would

4037
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stop

4038
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and like

4039
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:28,399
now let's let's i want you to describe

4040
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:30,800
uh what we're talking about here

4041
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um you guys are having your conversation

4042
02:36:38,070 --> 02:36:35,280
and and what happens

4043
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:38,080
yeah you know craig called first and i

4044
02:36:41,670 --> 02:36:40,000
i've become close with this family and

4045
02:36:43,510 --> 02:36:41,680
his two boys and

4046
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:43,520
we first start talking about his boys

4047
02:36:47,190 --> 02:36:44,960
for a little bit and everything that's

4048
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:47,200
going on within his life

4049
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:48,880
and then we get to a conversation about

4050
02:36:53,349 --> 02:36:51,359
some just recent stuff uh with with

4051
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daniel david skyfall

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and uh some of this weather modification

4053
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stuff we're talking about in this

4054
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:59,040
machine footage you sent me

4055
02:37:02,630 --> 02:37:00,720
and right as we start doing it i'm

4056
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:02,640
talking to craig and i'm just kind of

4057
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,560
yapping off at the mouth and at first i

4058
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,960
don't i it's there but i'm i don't hear

4059
02:37:10,469 --> 02:37:08,640
it because i'm my own thought

4060
02:37:12,389 --> 02:37:10,479
and craig's like do you hear that

4061
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,399
and you could hear this i mean it's a

4062
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:14,880
massive beep and this echo like an

4063
02:37:18,309 --> 02:37:16,240
echoey beep

4064
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:18,319
and it's loud as can be and i'm like oh

4065
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:20,640
my god i do hear that i've i've been

4066
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:22,800
using the phone now for you know i'm

4067
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:24,319
42 years old man i've never heard

4068
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:26,560
anything like this on a phone

4069
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:27,439
and

4070
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:28,880
we're like listen to it you know we're

4071
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:30,000
talking back and forth and you could

4072
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:31,040
hear it

4073
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:32,560
and then i'm like oh my god mickey

4074
02:37:36,070 --> 02:37:34,479
galenor is like yeah and he was like

4075
02:37:37,349 --> 02:37:36,080
yeah i could hear it right now and then

4076
02:37:39,910 --> 02:37:37,359
it stops

4077
02:37:42,230 --> 02:37:39,920
and craig's like it it stopped now i'm

4078
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:42,240
like it totally did stop didn't it and

4079
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:43,439
it did the second we started talking

4080
02:37:48,389 --> 02:37:45,840
about so we started testing that later

4081
02:37:50,389 --> 02:37:48,399
with not only craig but justin and

4082
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:50,399
thomas as well and when we would talk

4083
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:51,600
about it

4084
02:37:53,910 --> 02:37:52,960
or get into something heavy it would

4085
02:37:55,510 --> 02:37:53,920
start

4086
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:55,520
and we would let it go for as long as it

4087
02:37:59,190 --> 02:37:57,439
would go and the second we would start

4088
02:38:01,830 --> 02:37:59,200
going yep they're monitoring us now like

4089
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:01,840
you could hear it it would stop

4090
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:03,920
almost every time

4091
02:38:07,510 --> 02:38:05,680
so it's like how can this happen with

4092
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:07,520
such consistency

4093
02:38:11,429 --> 02:38:09,439
and have it not be

4094
02:38:13,429 --> 02:38:11,439
you know what i mean what it is

4095
02:38:15,590 --> 02:38:13,439
you know and again

4096
02:38:16,870 --> 02:38:15,600
you bring up a very good point

4097
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:16,880
you know like you say you talked about

4098
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:18,319
your puppies forever and that won't

4099
02:38:23,429 --> 02:38:19,200
happen

4100
02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:23,439
involved in this

4101
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:25,840
and it goes beyond just the phones like

4102
02:38:30,550 --> 02:38:28,399
i said i have probably she had to change

4103
02:38:33,190 --> 02:38:30,560
i'm not even kidding when i say this i

4104
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:33,200
probably have changed my email password

4105
02:38:36,389 --> 02:38:34,800
a dozen times

4106
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:36,399
since i started making this film before

4107
02:38:41,349 --> 02:38:39,280
that i've never had to change it right

4108
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:41,359
i mean like a dozen times i just go to

4109
02:38:45,110 --> 02:38:44,000
sign in and it'd be like doesn't accept

4110
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:45,120
it what

4111
02:38:48,389 --> 02:38:47,040
i'm like what so i could do the whole

4112
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:48,399
process again

4113
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:50,640
and do it i mean it was like in any

4114
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:52,800
and every way that you could you know

4115
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:54,640
monitor somebody

4116
02:38:58,950 --> 02:38:57,280
uh it was clearly happening

4117
02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:58,960
and you know you could hear craig and

4118
02:39:02,389 --> 02:39:00,399
his response and like you said having

4119
02:39:04,389 --> 02:39:02,399
these phone calls recorded

4120
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:04,399
and presented in the film so we're not

4121
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:05,840
just talking about it so people could

4122
02:39:11,429 --> 02:39:07,760
actually hear what's going on yeah it's

4123
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:11,439
so cool to hear your conversation going

4124
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:14,560
on and these beeps and how you guys get

4125
02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:17,439
totally sidetracked and derailed

4126
02:39:21,910 --> 02:39:19,520
uh listening to these beeps and as soon

4127
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:21,920
as you start talking about it the beeps

4128
02:39:25,750 --> 02:39:23,040
stop

4129
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:25,760
it's uh it's it's brilliant man and to

4130
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:27,439
have you uh

4131
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:28,880
uh

4132
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:30,960
how do i have the vision

4133
02:39:34,630 --> 02:39:33,200
to record these calls so you can

4134
02:39:36,550 --> 02:39:34,640
actually catch the moment that it

4135
02:39:39,510 --> 02:39:36,560
actually goes down like i said

4136
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:39,520
it's just a story if somebody talks

4137
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:41,520
about this and it's great you know i'm

4138
02:39:46,790 --> 02:39:44,000
into it okay i get it it's a whole

4139
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:46,800
nother dynamic when you capture it in

4140
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:48,080
real time

4141
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:50,880
and you hear your guys's reaction to it

4142
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:52,560
and then you hear the beeping stop it's

4143
02:39:57,349 --> 02:39:55,040
a fascinating part of the documentary

4144
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:57,359
yeah and it's the thing that that one of

4145
02:40:01,270 --> 02:39:58,960
the hardest things about making this

4146
02:40:02,630 --> 02:40:01,280
documentary was that was the the

4147
02:40:03,910 --> 02:40:02,640
committal

4148
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:03,920
to

4149
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,399
we just document everything um you know

4150
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:08,399
when the car is falling you you can see

4151
02:40:13,670 --> 02:40:10,800
me wrestling with my phone

4152
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:13,680
trying to film this car through my

4153
02:40:19,910 --> 02:40:17,600
you know uh reverse uh you know a mirror

4154
02:40:21,910 --> 02:40:19,920
you know and and trying to drive at the

4155
02:40:24,389 --> 02:40:21,920
same time and doing it

4156
02:40:27,590 --> 02:40:24,399
and the same thing with the phone like

4157
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:27,600
i tried to keep at least one gopro

4158
02:40:32,070 --> 02:40:30,160
going in my house at all times

4159
02:40:34,070 --> 02:40:32,080
just because you just don't know you

4160
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:34,080
don't know when or what is going to

4161
02:40:37,750 --> 02:40:35,120
happen

4162
02:40:39,590 --> 02:40:37,760
and uh you know thankfully we were able

4163
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:39,600
to capture some of this

4164
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:41,120
so like you said so that you're not just

4165
02:40:44,309 --> 02:40:42,960
someone telling a story

4166
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:44,319
um and even for everything that we've

4167
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:46,640
captured that's why it was so important

4168
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:48,640
when craig sent me the photo that i

4169
02:40:52,309 --> 02:40:50,720
showed you you know you say someone's

4170
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:52,319
outside my house with a glowing mask

4171
02:40:57,910 --> 02:40:55,439
watching my house that's one thing

4172
02:40:59,590 --> 02:40:57,920
you know seeing the photos another now

4173
02:41:01,429 --> 02:40:59,600
what about the

4174
02:41:04,870 --> 02:41:01,439
raw footage

4175
02:41:05,990 --> 02:41:04,880
um of uh sir no face of two-faced the

4176
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,000
gray

4177
02:41:10,309 --> 02:41:08,319
um is this out there in the public

4178
02:41:12,870 --> 02:41:10,319
domain are you going to release it where

4179
02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:12,880
is the raw footage i mean it could be

4180
02:41:16,790 --> 02:41:15,439
but it's also released in the film um

4181
02:41:19,190 --> 02:41:16,800
meaning that like

4182
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:19,200
whenever i do replays if you look at sir

4183
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:20,479
no face

4184
02:41:24,309 --> 02:41:21,520
um

4185
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:24,319
whenever like we'll present it like like

4186
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:26,880
when you first see sir no face like in

4187
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:28,800
this renal face documentary there's

4188
02:41:32,950 --> 02:41:30,800
obviously sound design and color and

4189
02:41:35,910 --> 02:41:32,960
things like that that are going on as a

4190
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:35,920
presentation piece but the replay that

4191
02:41:39,190 --> 02:41:37,920
we always do i usually do two to three

4192
02:41:41,190 --> 02:41:39,200
replays

4193
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:41,200
is always the raw footage

4194
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:42,720
just as is

4195
02:41:46,150 --> 02:41:45,040
out the camera um

4196
02:41:48,389 --> 02:41:46,160
so to

4197
02:41:49,750 --> 02:41:48,399
we can totally release it separately but

4198
02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:49,760
it'd be the same exact thing that you're

4199
02:41:53,590 --> 02:41:51,520
looking at in the film

4200
02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:53,600
the um

4201
02:41:57,750 --> 02:41:56,080
there's other researchers out there like

4202
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:57,760
marc

4203
02:42:01,190 --> 02:41:58,800
uh

4204
02:42:03,270 --> 02:42:01,200
who's a a really good analyst but

4205
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:03,280
there's a lot of uh

4206
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:06,240
video guys in ufology that

4207
02:42:11,830 --> 02:42:09,120
that have the credentials would you be

4208
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:11,840
interested in releasing the raw footage

4209
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:14,319
to them for their analysis

4210
02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:15,840
oh yeah well i mean well craig would

4211
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:17,680
have to but i'm sure he would be i mean

4212
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:20,479
i if it was up to me a hundred percent

4213
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:22,319
hundred percent

4214
02:42:24,870 --> 02:42:23,760
yeah i mean

4215
02:42:26,870 --> 02:42:24,880
i'm sure

4216
02:42:28,309 --> 02:42:26,880
craig released it to me so i i don't

4217
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:28,319
think he'd have any issue releasing it

4218
02:42:33,670 --> 02:42:30,640
to them whatsoever now there's uh i

4219
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:33,680
wanted to go back and uh and discuss

4220
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:35,120
something that you brought up which is

4221
02:42:41,590 --> 02:42:37,520
the roger lear turkish films and when

4222
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:41,600
those when those videos uh which are uh

4223
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:44,720
hours days of footage i should say

4224
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:47,040
um and i watched them

4225
02:42:53,910 --> 02:42:50,160
i just watched them and watched them now

4226
02:42:55,670 --> 02:42:53,920
i do believe this is this is my take i

4227
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:55,680
believe that the footage is real that

4228
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:58,160
lyra captured one two

4229
02:43:02,309 --> 02:42:59,760
um

4230
02:43:04,389 --> 02:43:02,319
what it definitely appears to be it

4231
02:43:05,349 --> 02:43:04,399
doesn't look human whatever is in the

4232
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:05,359
window

4233
02:43:09,270 --> 02:43:06,960
uh there's two or three of them i

4234
02:43:11,990 --> 02:43:09,280
believe but uh the main one that's up in

4235
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:12,000
front and when you see him uh kind of

4236
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:13,600
move a little bit too as well almost

4237
02:43:18,230 --> 02:43:15,359
jumped out of my skin

4238
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:18,240
yeah i know right right and and now and

4239
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:20,880
when you do the analysis of that window

4240
02:43:25,750 --> 02:43:23,840
shot uh from the lear footage and

4241
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:25,760
compare that to

4242
02:43:29,270 --> 02:43:28,319
uh two-face the gray

4243
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:29,280
the

4244
02:43:34,870 --> 02:43:32,000
uh

4245
02:43:39,110 --> 02:43:34,880
the similarity is astounding it's it's

4246
02:43:41,830 --> 02:43:39,120
like whoa but okay let's let's take this

4247
02:43:44,150 --> 02:43:41,840
uh let's back up a step here if we are

4248
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:44,160
suggesting that there's a possibility

4249
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:46,080
that that two-phase

4250
02:43:51,670 --> 02:43:49,120
could be some bioengineered android

4251
02:43:53,030 --> 02:43:51,680
right a robot on the inside and

4252
02:43:55,910 --> 02:43:53,040
and uh

4253
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:55,920
something of uh organic nature grown on

4254
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:58,000
the outside okay

4255
02:44:03,590 --> 02:44:00,720
it would also suggest and testing you

4256
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:03,600
guys right testing craig testing the

4257
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:04,880
reaction

4258
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:08,080
it could almost suggest the same thing

4259
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:08,880
that

4260
02:44:13,990 --> 02:44:10,720
happened to lear

4261
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:14,000
in that they've got an alien that is up

4262
02:44:17,110 --> 02:44:16,080
in this window they're shooting it at a

4263
02:44:19,510 --> 02:44:17,120
distance

4264
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:19,520
and they're getting the same reaction

4265
02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:21,840
they're getting the same footage they're

4266
02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:23,840
releasing that out into the public

4267
02:44:29,429 --> 02:44:27,600
domain there is that similarity between

4268
02:44:31,030 --> 02:44:29,439
uh lear's footage and

4269
02:44:34,150 --> 02:44:31,040
and craig's footage

4270
02:44:37,510 --> 02:44:34,160
that speak of the same thing

4271
02:44:39,429 --> 02:44:37,520
yeah well it isn't i if i believe

4272
02:44:40,309 --> 02:44:39,439
lear's footage

4273
02:44:42,309 --> 02:44:40,319
came

4274
02:44:44,309 --> 02:44:42,319
i i believe i might be wrong on this so

4275
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:44,319
i'm not you know ufo community don't

4276
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:48,000
kill me but i believe it came almost one

4277
02:44:51,429 --> 02:44:48,960
year

4278
02:44:52,870 --> 02:44:51,439
to the day right after yanthan yalman

4279
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:52,880
filmed it first

4280
02:44:57,750 --> 02:44:55,359
yes there was yeah the the i think his

4281
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:57,760
name is anthony allman he was a security

4282
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:00,880
guard that filmed it first and then

4283
02:45:05,269 --> 02:45:03,359
robert lear went back i think it was a

4284
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:05,279
year to the day

4285
02:45:10,550 --> 02:45:08,000
to the same spot with the better camera

4286
02:45:12,630 --> 02:45:10,560
and got better footage of it

4287
02:45:14,950 --> 02:45:12,640
and the fact that it reoccurred at the

4288
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:14,960
same time leads me to believe that again

4289
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:17,359
it was something sent out there

4290
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:18,880
you know what i mean like someone put it

4291
02:45:21,670 --> 02:45:20,800
out there for a reason

4292
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:21,680
um

4293
02:45:24,790 --> 02:45:23,840
because it is shocking and astounding

4294
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:24,800
footage

4295
02:45:30,070 --> 02:45:28,080
i mean i i might be off on that but i'm

4296
02:45:31,110 --> 02:45:30,080
pretty sure it was either a year later

4297
02:45:35,670 --> 02:45:31,120
or

4298
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:35,680
um did you know that it was filmed first

4299
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:38,560
before by the yawmin yes

4300
02:45:43,269 --> 02:45:41,120
totally and roger went back to turkey it

4301
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:43,279
was a year later they they got there on

4302
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:45,359
the coast and they set up the

4303
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:47,279
the telephoto lenses and started

4304
02:45:50,630 --> 02:45:49,120
shooting out over the ocean and they

4305
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:50,640
captured again

4306
02:45:54,469 --> 02:45:52,240
right which whenever when things are

4307
02:45:55,830 --> 02:45:54,479
happening at exact times

4308
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:55,840
it's kind of like when bob lazar is

4309
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:57,520
saying every wednesday they go up and

4310
02:46:01,910 --> 02:45:59,840
fly you know what i mean it's so if it's

4311
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:01,920
like a year later the same time it's

4312
02:46:06,309 --> 02:46:04,240
back up there again it implies to me

4313
02:46:07,590 --> 02:46:06,319
that that that it is more more than

4314
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:07,600
likely something

4315
02:46:12,389 --> 02:46:10,560
uh either man-made um or if it's not

4316
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:12,399
it's the real thing either way it's

4317
02:46:14,389 --> 02:46:13,600
fascinating

4318
02:46:17,030 --> 02:46:14,399
that

4319
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:17,040
uh the comparison between the two

4320
02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:20,160
uh was just mind mind-blowing to me

4321
02:46:22,870 --> 02:46:21,680
and

4322
02:46:24,950 --> 02:46:22,880
it's just

4323
02:46:27,110 --> 02:46:24,960
the whole the government thing is so

4324
02:46:29,990 --> 02:46:27,120
weird in this case the australian

4325
02:46:32,309 --> 02:46:30,000
government's response to us the film is

4326
02:46:35,190 --> 02:46:32,319
so weird

4327
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:35,200
them reaching out to craig and doing it

4328
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:37,279
under lock and key is so weird the

4329
02:46:41,830 --> 02:46:39,279
timing is so weird

4330
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:41,840
globally what's going on

4331
02:46:46,790 --> 02:46:43,920
with i've always felt that this closure

4332
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:46,800
would be a slow leak and not uh

4333
02:46:51,269 --> 02:46:48,560
a bomb going off you know what i mean

4334
02:46:52,790 --> 02:46:51,279
that it would be a very slow thing i i

4335
02:46:53,990 --> 02:46:52,800
that was one of the first things i did

4336
02:46:55,910 --> 02:46:54,000
think when

4337
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,920
um every you know everyone was like why

4338
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,680
does tom belong

4339
02:47:01,830 --> 02:46:59,680
why are all these guys backing tom de

4340
02:47:04,389 --> 02:47:01,840
long and i and i and my wife and i were

4341
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:04,399
talking about it and i said well if

4342
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:05,600
someone was going to tell you that

4343
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:07,200
aliens are real

4344
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:08,479
and they're visiting us or they're

4345
02:47:11,910 --> 02:47:09,760
coming here

4346
02:47:14,070 --> 02:47:11,920
do you want that delivered from tom de

4347
02:47:15,349 --> 02:47:14,080
long the funny guy from blink 1882 or

4348
02:47:17,590 --> 02:47:15,359
you don't or do you want to hear that

4349
02:47:19,030 --> 02:47:17,600
from mad dog mattis

4350
02:47:20,950 --> 02:47:19,040
you know like the public's going to want

4351
02:47:22,070 --> 02:47:20,960
to hear it from the funny guy

4352
02:47:22,870 --> 02:47:22,080
you know

4353
02:47:26,309 --> 02:47:22,880
so

4354
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:26,319
were

4355
02:47:30,630 --> 02:47:28,319
really kind of bizarre you know and just

4356
02:47:32,469 --> 02:47:30,640
knowing how the media works and

4357
02:47:35,349 --> 02:47:32,479
when all of a sudden that you know the

4358
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:35,359
dod is releasing ufo videos

4359
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:37,680
you have to ask why

4360
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:38,800
well

4361
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:41,920
how do you feel about yourself now chad

4362
02:47:47,590 --> 02:47:45,040
because you've been the go-to guy uh for

4363
02:47:49,269 --> 02:47:47,600
the paranormal for so many years you

4364
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:49,279
know the networks and

4365
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:52,160
and then and the feature films and now

4366
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:55,279
you're in the ufo community

4367
02:48:03,190 --> 02:47:57,120
do you

4368
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:03,200
i i i look at myself as a guest right

4369
02:48:08,230 --> 02:48:05,680
now i mean and and a proud one i mean

4370
02:48:10,389 --> 02:48:08,240
like i'm i'm just as fascinated as

4371
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:10,399
everybody else's like i i don't want to

4372
02:48:15,190 --> 02:48:12,479
like you know um

4373
02:48:17,349 --> 02:48:15,200
make it like i'm a complete fool to you

4374
02:48:19,110 --> 02:48:17,359
know the world of the ufology i'm not

4375
02:48:21,269 --> 02:48:19,120
but i'm certainly not

4376
02:48:25,030 --> 02:48:21,279
a what i would you know consider an

4377
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:25,040
expert in it um but i i view myself now

4378
02:48:28,389 --> 02:48:25,920
as

4379
02:48:31,750 --> 02:48:28,399
a documentarian that came across an

4380
02:48:33,750 --> 02:48:31,760
incredible case and and the public

4381
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:33,760
said take another look

4382
02:48:37,110 --> 02:48:36,240
you know and i think maybe someone with

4383
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:37,120
a

4384
02:48:45,469 --> 02:48:43,279
uh but i i'm not you know

4385
02:48:47,110 --> 02:48:45,479
my goal in being a documentary my

4386
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:47,120
documentarian

4387
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:49,520
is to follow the facts and and expose as

4388
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:51,840
much truth as i possibly can

4389
02:48:57,030 --> 02:48:55,200
and it's just taken me down this road

4390
02:48:58,710 --> 02:48:57,040
in which there are some massive

4391
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:58,720
questions

4392
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:01,120
that are unanswered and a lot of things

4393
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:02,880
that are pointing towards a direction so

4394
02:49:06,870 --> 02:49:04,960
to ignore it would be

4395
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:06,880
would be counter productive as to what

4396
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:09,279
i'm doing as a filmmaker

4397
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:11,600
but as far as the ufology world

4398
02:49:17,429 --> 02:49:14,800
so far everyone has been incredibly cool

4399
02:49:19,510 --> 02:49:17,439
i've had some standoffishness from

4400
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:19,520
a few people that are kind of like what

4401
02:49:22,550 --> 02:49:21,200
are you doing over here like that type

4402
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:22,560
of thing you know

4403
02:49:27,830 --> 02:49:24,640
um but for the most part everyone's been

4404
02:49:29,670 --> 02:49:27,840
really really cool and i i think when

4405
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:29,680
people watch the film

4406
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:32,000
they see that that i'm not trying to

4407
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:33,760
make it about

4408
02:49:37,429 --> 02:49:35,840
me and my knowledge and i'm i'm the

4409
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:37,439
expert you know what i mean like i'm not

4410
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:39,200
trying to do that at all

4411
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:41,040
i'm literally just trying to present the

4412
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:43,040
case as it came to me

4413
02:49:48,870 --> 02:49:46,479
and uh and hopefully work with people to

4414
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:48,880
continue to find more answers i wanted

4415
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:51,200
to i wanted to ask you this earlier and

4416
02:49:54,630 --> 02:49:53,200
so i'm going to get it in uh before the

4417
02:49:57,190 --> 02:49:54,640
end of the show here and thank you for

4418
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:57,200
doing uh this overtime with us it's just

4419
02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:00,319
a fantastic conversation but two three

4420
02:50:07,110 --> 02:50:03,760
four years ago ghost hunter chad right

4421
02:50:09,510 --> 02:50:07,120
yeah had you even heard the word

4422
02:50:11,349 --> 02:50:09,520
disclosure did you know anything about

4423
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:11,359
it

4424
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:12,640
um

4425
02:50:17,750 --> 02:50:14,880
you know two or three years ago yeah i

4426
02:50:19,510 --> 02:50:17,760
tell you what i i got interested in in

4427
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:19,520
just interested

4428
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:20,560
about

4429
02:50:25,990 --> 02:50:22,640
four or five years ago

4430
02:50:27,590 --> 02:50:26,000
through that um the case in

4431
02:50:29,030 --> 02:50:27,600
o'hare

4432
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:29,040
um

4433
02:50:34,150 --> 02:50:30,960
with uh where dan aykroyd swept up the

4434
02:50:36,870 --> 02:50:34,160
footage yes and i did a short a short

4435
02:50:39,110 --> 02:50:36,880
documentary just about on that case

4436
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:39,120
and it wasn't about the world as a whole

4437
02:50:43,910 --> 02:50:41,760
of the ufo and then and then and then i

4438
02:50:46,150 --> 02:50:43,920
believe i've had one sighting

4439
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:46,160
and i did a short 15 like minute film on

4440
02:50:49,349 --> 02:50:47,680
that it was just about that sighting it

4441
02:50:51,750 --> 02:50:49,359
was when i was filming

4442
02:50:53,910 --> 02:50:51,760
a music video out here in la and i saw

4443
02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:53,920
something over the catalina channel

4444
02:50:58,950 --> 02:50:56,080
and then through research i learned

4445
02:51:01,349 --> 02:50:58,960
locally that a lot of people see ufos

4446
02:51:02,389 --> 02:51:01,359
and ufos between here and the catalina

4447
02:51:03,110 --> 02:51:02,399
channel

4448
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:03,120
um

4449
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:05,040
but that but that's

4450
02:51:10,950 --> 02:51:08,399
you know beyond those specific cases

4451
02:51:13,190 --> 02:51:10,960
i would say my knowledge was you know

4452
02:51:16,469 --> 02:51:13,200
the same as most people you know i knew

4453
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:16,479
knew about roswell and i never knew

4454
02:51:20,790 --> 02:51:17,520
about

4455
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:20,800
all the the heavy-handed different um

4456
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:23,040
conspiracies within the conspiracy

4457
02:51:26,790 --> 02:51:25,120
uh i never knew

4458
02:51:29,429 --> 02:51:26,800
about there was supposed to be more than

4459
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:29,439
one roswell thing that went down

4460
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:31,439
um four or five years ago i had never

4461
02:51:36,950 --> 02:51:33,120
heard of bluebeam

4462
02:51:39,269 --> 02:51:36,960
i had never heard of like a

4463
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:39,279
fake alien invasion or like

4464
02:51:45,269 --> 02:51:42,720
anything like that i certainly never

4465
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:45,279
thought that i would be making a film

4466
02:51:49,910 --> 02:51:46,960
anything this heavy handed into the

4467
02:51:53,269 --> 02:51:49,920
world of ufology you um

4468
02:51:54,389 --> 02:51:53,279
you cover in in two-face

4469
02:51:57,590 --> 02:51:54,399
uh

4470
02:52:01,429 --> 02:51:57,600
what what i enjoyed about it is that

4471
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:01,439
your coverage of the ufo phenomenon from

4472
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:03,279
so many different angles

4473
02:52:08,230 --> 02:52:05,680
um was pretty

4474
02:52:09,429 --> 02:52:08,240
pretty good but also a little bit

4475
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:09,439
innocent

4476
02:52:14,710 --> 02:52:12,399
you know in that you you are going into

4477
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:14,720
this trying to

4478
02:52:19,750 --> 02:52:18,000
uh investigate the information as it is

4479
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:19,760
coming in but you didn't know a whole

4480
02:52:25,110 --> 02:52:22,800
lot about any of this and so from

4481
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:25,120
somebody that you know of a novice

4482
02:52:31,190 --> 02:52:28,080
position is getting into some very heavy

4483
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:31,200
subjects very very quickly

4484
02:52:36,070 --> 02:52:33,520
yeah and the thing is i i think what

4485
02:52:37,750 --> 02:52:36,080
you're seeing in there is as someone who

4486
02:52:38,870 --> 02:52:37,760
is very well versed in the spiritual

4487
02:52:43,750 --> 02:52:38,880
side

4488
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:43,760
somebody just said i want to jump into

4489
02:52:47,990 --> 02:52:45,840
the world of ghosts and

4490
02:52:50,469 --> 02:52:48,000
and entities and stuff like that

4491
02:52:52,790 --> 02:52:50,479
there would be a lot initially that they

4492
02:52:55,670 --> 02:52:52,800
would think was insane that they would

4493
02:52:56,790 --> 02:52:55,680
come to learn over time is not so insane

4494
02:52:59,510 --> 02:52:56,800
right

4495
02:53:00,230 --> 02:52:59,520
so i had to like also consider that like

4496
02:53:01,990 --> 02:53:00,240
when

4497
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:02,000
i was learning all this stuff and

4498
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:03,120
researching

4499
02:53:07,190 --> 02:53:05,359
of all this information

4500
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:07,200
i had to like keep that open mind like

4501
02:53:12,070 --> 02:53:09,600
this sounds so crazy like the first time

4502
02:53:15,190 --> 02:53:12,080
you hear the admiral bird story

4503
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:15,200
of uh operation high jump

4504
02:53:19,990 --> 02:53:17,279
and you're reading supposedly he had a

4505
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:20,000
documentary and he went to

4506
02:53:23,910 --> 02:53:21,920
middle earth or agartha or some

4507
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:23,920
something and he met with these people

4508
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:26,399
and anything it was just like you're

4509
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:29,359
going this is so far out there

4510
02:53:34,469 --> 02:53:31,600
you know how could this be

4511
02:53:37,429 --> 02:53:34,479
but then you start kind of paring away

4512
02:53:38,389 --> 02:53:37,439
of what is more than likely myth versus

4513
02:53:43,269 --> 02:53:38,399
reality

4514
02:53:44,710 --> 02:53:43,279
with is incredible um so i i really just

4515
02:53:45,830 --> 02:53:44,720
wanted to like

4516
02:53:48,950 --> 02:53:45,840
not

4517
02:53:50,790 --> 02:53:48,960
overtly dismiss anything until i saw it

4518
02:53:52,309 --> 02:53:50,800
through

4519
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:52,319
just because i know if people came into

4520
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:53,920
the paranormal side

4521
02:53:56,230 --> 02:53:55,200
there were things that they would you

4522
02:53:58,469 --> 02:53:56,240
know start talking about different

4523
02:54:00,230 --> 02:53:58,479
classifications of

4524
02:54:02,070 --> 02:54:00,240
of ghosts and and whether you're talking

4525
02:54:04,150 --> 02:54:02,080
about the demonic negatives or shadow

4526
02:54:07,030 --> 02:54:04,160
people or whatever that it would be

4527
02:54:09,830 --> 02:54:07,040
confusing if not it would sound crazy to

4528
02:54:12,790 --> 02:54:09,840
someone who is not heavily involved so i

4529
02:54:14,710 --> 02:54:12,800
really did try to like honor the field

4530
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:14,720
when i went through it as to not give

4531
02:54:18,550 --> 02:54:16,479
any kind of a even if i thought

4532
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:18,560
something was completely

4533
02:54:23,030 --> 02:54:21,279
just totally crazy

4534
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:23,040
you know i wanted to honor the fact that

4535
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:24,880
maybe i just don't know the whole story

4536
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:26,000
yet

4537
02:54:29,030 --> 02:54:27,840
you know and i think that's probably

4538
02:54:32,309 --> 02:54:29,040
part of the instance that you're seeing

4539
02:54:34,230 --> 02:54:32,319
is that i'm really just trying to

4540
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:34,240
source through the material that was

4541
02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:35,840
presented to me from

4542
02:54:39,030 --> 02:54:37,120
skyfall

4543
02:54:41,429 --> 02:54:39,040
uh from the

4544
02:54:42,469 --> 02:54:41,439
tattoo space man and also from my own

4545
02:54:44,469 --> 02:54:42,479
research

4546
02:54:45,510 --> 02:54:44,479
and and and try to just tell an honest

4547
02:54:46,309 --> 02:54:45,520
story

4548
02:54:47,910 --> 02:54:46,319
um

4549
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:47,920
and the one thing i i did get from

4550
02:54:52,150 --> 02:54:49,359
watching

4551
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:52,160
a couple ufo documentaries

4552
02:54:55,990 --> 02:54:54,399
is the ufology has some strong

4553
02:54:57,110 --> 02:54:56,000
personalities in it

4554
02:54:59,590 --> 02:54:57,120
and

4555
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:59,600
there there's there seems to be like to

4556
02:55:03,269 --> 02:55:00,960
me there seems to be like a couple

4557
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:03,279
different groups there's a group of

4558
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:05,520
people who

4559
02:55:09,429 --> 02:55:07,920
kind of want to work within a community

4560
02:55:11,429 --> 02:55:09,439
to come up with an answer

4561
02:55:13,830 --> 02:55:11,439
and then there's a group of people that

4562
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:13,840
that believe they know that believe they

4563
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:15,359
have the answers

4564
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:17,040
and if you don't like to fall into that

4565
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:18,399
world then they're gonna have a problem

4566
02:55:22,070 --> 02:55:19,279
with you

4567
02:55:24,389 --> 02:55:22,080
um that was kind of my take from it well

4568
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:24,399
you're spotted

4569
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:25,920
yeah and i definitely don't want to be

4570
02:55:29,030 --> 02:55:27,279
that guy that's like if you don't

4571
02:55:30,870 --> 02:55:29,040
believe what i believe you are

4572
02:55:32,870 --> 02:55:30,880
ridiculous you know

4573
02:55:34,309 --> 02:55:32,880
um because

4574
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:34,319
man what i've learned about the

4575
02:55:38,469 --> 02:55:36,160
paranormal field is

4576
02:55:39,429 --> 02:55:38,479
every answer you get spawns a dozen new

4577
02:55:41,030 --> 02:55:39,439
questions

4578
02:55:42,630 --> 02:55:41,040
it's the same thing now it's the same

4579
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:42,640
thing in ufology

4580
02:55:48,070 --> 02:55:45,520
it's the very same thing but thank you

4581
02:55:50,070 --> 02:55:48,080
for uh the documentary it's amazing i

4582
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:50,080
highly recommend it and the links are up

4583
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:51,359
to it now

4584
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:54,479
and is there going to be i'm sure you're

4585
02:55:57,750 --> 02:55:55,760
working on it is there going to be a

4586
02:56:00,070 --> 02:55:57,760
two-phase part three

4587
02:56:02,070 --> 02:56:00,080
there there will be a trilogy uh you

4588
02:56:03,510 --> 02:56:02,080
know it's it's ongoing and it's

4589
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:03,520
happening now

4590
02:56:08,630 --> 02:56:06,479
and uh you know i have a uh i have a

4591
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:08,640
gopro running on me right now you know

4592
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:10,720
and you just never know

4593
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:12,080
when's going to happen or what is going

4594
02:56:15,030 --> 02:56:13,279
to happen but

4595
02:56:17,990 --> 02:56:15,040
you know you've already seen you know

4596
02:56:20,870 --> 02:56:18,000
one of the photos from what has occurred

4597
02:56:23,990 --> 02:56:20,880
and uh you know the story is ongoing i

4598
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:24,000
definitely have to get back over there

4599
02:56:28,230 --> 02:56:26,080
which people understand when they watch

4600
02:56:31,190 --> 02:56:28,240
the film as to why

4601
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:31,200
um but there has to be an answer to this

4602
02:56:35,830 --> 02:56:33,040
there has to be

4603
02:56:38,389 --> 02:56:35,840
some sort of um

4604
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:38,399
resolve and and that may not mean

4605
02:56:42,870 --> 02:56:40,160
necessarily an ending but at least an

4606
02:56:45,510 --> 02:56:42,880
understanding as to what is going on

4607
02:56:48,309 --> 02:56:45,520
because there's there's too many answers

4608
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:48,319
that lead to too many unanswered things

4609
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:49,680
um so

4610
02:56:54,230 --> 02:56:51,920
you know we definitely gotta you know

4611
02:56:55,590 --> 02:56:54,240
go where the truth takes us man and and

4612
02:56:56,710 --> 02:56:55,600
for the people that are listening in the

4613
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:56,720
audience

4614
02:57:00,230 --> 02:56:57,520
uh

4615
02:57:02,230 --> 02:57:00,240
please see this documentary it is is one

4616
02:57:04,870 --> 02:57:02,240
of the most honest things you'll ever

4617
02:57:06,790 --> 02:57:04,880
see from a very real investigation you

4618
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:06,800
know about very real people

4619
02:57:11,269 --> 02:57:08,800
and uh i think everyone will see that as

4620
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:11,279
well so and jimmy i can't thank you

4621
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:12,960
enough for the time

4622
02:57:17,349 --> 02:57:14,720
uh you you were

4623
02:57:19,750 --> 02:57:17,359
the first guy that you know i messaged

4624
02:57:20,950 --> 02:57:19,760
and uh i thought you would give it an

4625
02:57:22,389 --> 02:57:20,960
honest look

4626
02:57:24,309 --> 02:57:22,399
and uh i

4627
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:24,319
super appreciate everything you've done

4628
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:26,240
man it means a lot to me thank you so

4629
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:27,920
much chad and

4630
02:57:33,110 --> 02:57:30,080
you know i got to give you my best piece

4631
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:33,120
of advice keep rolling that rock up hill

4632
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:35,200
because that's

4633
02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:37,359
keep rolling the rock uphill because

4634
02:57:45,269 --> 02:57:42,950
welcome to the community chad enjoy the

4635
02:57:47,110 --> 02:57:45,279
rest of your night and we'll be talking

4636
02:57:48,550 --> 02:57:47,120
soon thank you so much

4637
02:57:51,110 --> 02:57:48,560
thanks brother thanks everybody for

4638
02:57:54,630 --> 02:57:51,120
listening talk to you soon chad kalec

4639
02:57:57,950 --> 02:57:54,640
and the film is called two-face the gray

4640
02:58:00,230 --> 02:57:57,960
and like i said it's very simple go to

4641
02:58:02,389 --> 02:58:00,240
jimmychurchradio.com the links are right

4642
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:02,399
there go and check it out check out sir

4643
02:58:07,190 --> 02:58:04,479
no face two as well

4644
02:58:09,349 --> 02:58:07,200
right part one and part two

4645
02:58:11,429 --> 02:58:09,359
all right fate of black's executive

4646
02:58:14,150 --> 02:58:11,439
producer is rita kamarian shows produced

4647
02:58:18,550 --> 02:58:14,160
by hill j palm renee dennis and bob

4648
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:18,560
announcers are steve harder genevatoa

4649
02:58:23,349 --> 02:58:21,200
webmaster is drew the geek music doug

4650
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:23,359
aldridge intro spaceboy

4651
02:58:27,830 --> 02:58:25,680
spaceboymusic.com

4652
02:58:29,510 --> 02:58:27,840
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4653
02:58:31,349 --> 02:58:29,520
the game changer network and syndication

4654
02:58:33,910 --> 02:58:31,359
is kgra

4655
02:58:36,150 --> 02:58:33,920
the planet thank you to chad kalec

4656
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:36,160
tomorrow night linda moulton howe right

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here on fade to black it's broadcast

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only copyrighted 2019 by fade to black

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and the game changer network it cannot

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be rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

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anywhere in the known universe without

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written permission from fade to black to

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the game changer network our meals jimmy

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church follow me on twitter at

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jchurchradio

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it's very simple until tomorrow night

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everybody be safe

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go back lee tapping